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Aeoluntoday at 7:30 AM2 repliesview on HN

> I have encountered people who are scared to post in large public channels.

People weren’t assholes and/or snowflakes in those days. Implicit in being on the net was that you were fairly well behaved.


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hnlmorgtoday at 9:17 AM

How far back are we talking? 90s? 80s? 70s?

For the 70s, I would agree with you. But the moment home users, and particularly kids, gained access to the internet, you started to see a subculture of trolling.

Source: I was one of those 80s kids. It’s not something I’m proud of, but writing bots to troll message boards and scrapers for porn and warez played just as significant role in my journey into my IT profession as writing games on 8bit micros.

exasperaitedtoday at 8:22 AM

Oh lord no. I’m not sure that’s true at all! I mean in the early cool era of the internet there was a concept of a “netizen” and a window of brief joy, but the internet has always had domineering trolls, bullies, spaces where clumsy newbies were brutally flamed etc.

The main difference is that more spaces were quasi-professional and non-pseudonymous, in that one largely got one’s internet access and identity (IP address, email address, invitation) from the institution of higher learning one attended or worked for. So there were direct, two or three degrees separation consequences (my boss knows someone at your institution) in those spaces. I suppose this is what you are referring to.

(In my early era of commercial internet work I can remember a colleague shutting down an accidentally abusive scraping bot by working out who was likely to be the boss of the person running it and phoning them up)

But away from those spaces were many places that were just as bad as they are now.

The internet has always (in my time of using it, which is all of my adult life as someone who is over half a century old) demonstrated that a good culture is a question of starting conditions and quick maintenance actions.

A non-trivial amount of the worst behaviour I have personally witnessed on the internet happened before the year 2000.