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mattcantstopyesterday at 10:58 PM5 repliesview on HN

I have the opposite viewpoint, and I lean heavily progressive in most of my views.

Healthcare in the United States isn't a market, and that is why it is so terrible. For instance, there is no reasonable ability to compare prices of services. Prices are entirely hidden. Then there is the "with insurance" price vs cash prices.

Healthcare doesn't function as a market, to our detriment.


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Sparkle-sanyesterday at 11:27 PM

Healthcare doesn't function as a market because the nature of it is largely at odds with the principals of an efficient marketplace and perfect competition. Not to mention the tens of billions of dollars being pocketed by middlemen every year.

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fancy_pantseryesterday at 11:44 PM

> Prices are entirely hidden

Recent legal changes have made pricing more transparent. In 2020, the federal government issued the "transparency in coverage" final rule under the Federal No Surprises Act. This limited the expenses for emergency care when out-of-network and a few other things, but even more exciting is that hospitals and insurers are now required to publish a comprehensive machine-readable file with ALL items and services. They have to provide all negotiated rates and cash prices for the services and include a display of "shoppable" services in a consumer-friendly format. The machine-readable files are impractical to process yourself for comparison shopping (picture: different formats, horribly de-normalized DB dumps), but many sites and APIs have emerged to scrape them and expose interfaces to do so.

venturecrueltyyesterday at 11:10 PM

Sorry, I'm not going to Google "cheap MRIs near me" when I'm bleeding out on the floor having an emergency. Healthcare is not expensive because you can't see how much a doctor visit costs, it's expensive because that's how a lot of people make a lot of money, and they get very upset when that is threatened.

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fuzzfactortoday at 1:58 AM

Sounds like you are looking at it from a consumer's point of view.

The US "market" is between the drug companies, hospitals, practitioners' groups, insurance companies, and government.

They are the ones that have market participation, the patient's not involved with that, their primary duty is to provide justification for the transaction.

>Healthcare doesn't function as a market, to our detriment.

So true, but even worse than that, the market that is there is predatory to a cumulative detriment worse than when simply dropping the ball makes things go wrong :\

waterTanukitoday at 12:31 AM

Nor should it strive to be a market. Healthy markets can only exist where demand is elastic. If the choice is between dying to kidney failure or enduring life-crushing medical debt, you bet I'm going to do anything it takes to get that transplant. And therein lies the problem: You *cannot* have healthy markets in healthcare. Period. Demand for healthcare is fully inelastic. Anyone arguing the opposite is either profiting off the status quo or woefully ignorant of economics.

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