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Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

401 pointsby italophillast Wednesday at 12:08 AM684 commentsview on HN

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bb88last Thursday at 6:58 AM

TIL: if you google Times New Roman, you get Google search results in Times New Roman.

You also get Calibri if you search for it, but not Zapf Dingbats.

embedding-shapelast Wednesday at 10:53 PM

> https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/12/addr...

> window.getComputedStyle(document.querySelector('.entry-content > p')).fontFamily

> '"Instrument Sans", sans-serif'

I guess The White House hasn't received the memo yet about how important serifs is for "presenting a unified, professional voice in all communications". What a joke.

Terrettalast Wednesday at 5:13 AM

This change sounds like that "waste, fraud, and abuse" stuff.

If you add up all the government memos, forms, letters, contracts, publications, everything printed globally…

“wow. many serif. so pointy. much ink. such waste!” — Kabosu, probably

sombragrislast Wednesday at 6:05 PM

I support the change, though the rationale used for it seems to me to be nonsense.

Times New Roman might not be the world's most beautiful font, but at least is a little bit less atrocious than Calibri (which is awful). So, whatever the rationale invoked, I welcome the change.

Sometimes, when I have to work on documents which will be shared with many users, I use Times New Roman as serif, and Arial as a sans serif. Both choices are (admittedly in my very subjective opinion) better than Calibri, and it's almost guaranteed that every PC will have these fonts available, or at least exact metric equivalents of them.

bigtoneslast Wednesday at 1:12 AM

I had to check this was actually Reuters and not The Onion. eye roll

mgkimsallast Thursday at 4:34 PM

Make Arial Great Again

IceHegellast Thursday at 5:03 AM

I'm dyslexic and I much prefer to read Times New Roman to Calibri. I think it's a good move.

iguana_shinelast Thursday at 6:45 AM

This headline is obnoxious

morshu9001last Wednesday at 11:54 PM

Wasn't there was a previous "coup" that changed it from TNR to Calibri? TNR is nicer though.

ecopoesislast Thursday at 3:42 PM

Today is a good day to learn about Nazi Germany's Normal Type Decree: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwabacher#History

BLKNSLVRlast Wednesday at 11:39 PM

The princess and the pea.

Klaus23last Thursday at 7:04 PM

Good, and not because of the diversity drama that the US government wants to shoehorn in here. Any font that makes the uppercase "i" and the lowercase "L" look the same is absolute garbage. Yes, I have a strong opinion about this!

gravylast Wednesday at 10:30 PM

Didn't I read somewhere that serif fonts are better for dyslexia

woliveirajrlast Thursday at 5:51 PM

And now I know why the default font was changed in Word. Arg. Don't think I like Times New Roman but it was the recommend font for academic papers in Brazil (and the recommendation still persists).

dgeiser13last Wednesday at 11:30 PM

The ole DEIA font.

nomdeplast Thursday at 1:37 PM

I figured the big scandal would be some bloated government contract shelling out millions for Calibri licenses. But nope, turns out the guy just… doesn’t like the font. What an absolute clown show.

SpaceManNabslast Thursday at 12:55 AM

This is silly as Montserrat is the only true choice.

clickety_clacklast Thursday at 1:24 AM

The only non-partisan choice is comic sans.

bvanlast Thursday at 2:34 AM

Seriously, with all the shit going on in the world, these guys spend time thinking about the wokeness of computer fonts?! What a clown show. Strike-through this administration.

throwacctlast Wednesday at 10:47 PM

Could anyone please explain how this is "news" worthy? There are literally more pressing issues (inflation, wars, etc), and covering this is asinine, to say the least.

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stego-techlast Wednesday at 11:56 PM

It really is just a bunch of petulant (predominantly, but not exclusively) old fucks throwing tantrums at any form of progress or change whatsoever, huh.

xrdlast Wednesday at 11:32 PM

I for one am grateful someone is finally standing up to these lunatic radical typographers and their diversity, equity and italics tyranny.

GeorgeRichardlast Thursday at 11:22 AM

>>decorum and professionalism Yes, the hallmark of the Trump administration.

aperculast Wednesday at 10:55 PM

The current administration will do anything to distract folks from the corruption, fraud, grift and incompetence.

And it works!

chuckadamslast Wednesday at 1:15 AM

Apparently sans-serif is "woke" or something. Cleek's Law meets Poe's.

snickerbockerslast Wednesday at 11:35 PM

Why the fuck does anybody care? Also is there no way to view these documents in the font of you choice????

The OP successfully included excerpts from the order without changing to times new roman so CLEARLY this is not insurmountable for anybody who actually notices irrelevant details such as this.

drammlast Thursday at 5:20 AM

Comic Sans might have been a more appropriate choice. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

thesaganlast Wednesday at 11:49 PM

Once again Garamond is passed over. I truly live in dark times.

Cryptocliduslast Thursday at 9:41 AM

Bullshit looks better with serifs?

int0x29last Wednesday at 10:31 PM

Ah yes Calibri is now "DEI". Rubio don't you have a real job?

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ropablelast Thursday at 6:14 AM

It's beyond satire that US conservatives are now somehow upset about certain fonts being woke.

js2last Wednesday at 1:48 AM

Previously:

Times New Roman is being phased out at the State Department, replaced by Calibri

207 points|danso|3 years ago|256 comments

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34427504

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yincrashlast Wednesday at 10:32 PM

Even if you believe the previous administration switching fonts was virtue signaling, then by the same logic you have to also believe this is just virtue signalling.

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anilakarlast Wednesday at 10:38 PM

> present a unified, professional voice in all communications

Might want to start by banning tweeting then.

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jennyholzerlast Thursday at 1:01 PM

I am staunchly anti-Republican.

In my opinion, the sole cultural domain in which Republicans are far stronger than Democrats is graphic design.

If you do not have a strong graphic design background, I'd urge you to avoid taking sides on this matter on the basis of party affiliation.

This is good politics from the Republicans.

In my opinion it is disastrous for Democrats to align themselves with mediocre cultural products.

Microsoft has a very close relationship with the US government and over the last 20+ years has demonstrated extremely low quality standards. The US government's shift to using Calibri is clearly a consequence of this close relationship.

Claims about the "readability" of Calibri in comparison to Times New Roman are spurious and unverifiable; very seriously type foundries say things this about every single new typeface released.

Frankly, Calibri is an ugly and poorly designed typeface. It is Microsoft's Vista-era Helvetica dupe. It is inferior to Times New Roman.

If you're defending Calibri over the most popular typeface of all time, I hope it's (somehow) coming from an aesthetically minded place

throw03172019last Wednesday at 10:27 PM

I’m surprised this administration did not chose Comic Sans as the default font.

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Benderlast Wednesday at 9:33 PM

Perhaps it is time to get traction on "tabs vs spaces". /s

If they want to look like a proper government then the correct answer is monospace and in ALL CAPS just like FAA NOTAMS, obviously.

queuebertlast Thursday at 4:42 PM

I'm glad to see that a government elected by rural, blue-collar workers is tackling the issues those workers care most about.

/s

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deadbabelast Wednesday at 10:46 PM

Similarly, under the Biden administration there was a push for memory safety and adopting the Rust programming language.

Now memory safety sounds too woke, and Trump administration will be moving back to pure C.

rsynnottlast Wednesday at 1:06 AM

This is Michael Scott levels of managerial nonsense, bloody hell.

Is Trump incapable of hiring anyone borderline competent?

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epolanskilast Wednesday at 10:35 PM

This feels like dystopia, sane management or administrations should delegate this stuff to experts, not politicians.

We live in the world were everything is now "vibed" really.

slaterlast Wednesday at 1:07 AM

Stopped clock, twice right?