> Your links give examples of campaigns that happened, but didn't quite work. You think the problem is their very happening?

They clearly did work, though.

Problem? No, the problem isn't their very happening, it's more that they are effective strategies. Some also used by advertising agencies.

> And the very fact that you know about child-eating devil-worshiping lizards from Alpha Ceti 5 shows that an opinion is available no matter what propaganda you use against it as long as it's not censored.

I don't know anything about child-eating devil-worshiping lizards from Alpha Ceti 5, that doesn't mean I can't talk about them. It's called "making stuff up".

Not sure where you're going with that sentence though. You do realise, I hope, that this was supposed to be a string of nonsense? That the point was that no matter which half you take from a string of nonsense, you can't combine it with a half-truth to get a full truth, you just get a half truth with a different false part.

Which in this example might be something like "the Alpha Party* caused the 9/11 attacks to cover up how the mind-control chemtrail fluid they were making in the WTC burned hot enough to melt steel beams, and wants to reduce the tax burden on families where the parents earn more than double the national average income between them".

The half-truth remains, at best, a half-truth. But that's the best case, and you only get that if you already knew what part was less than honest before you considered what to dismiss, at which point you didn't need anything from other statements in the first place.

> You can suppress it only by censorship, not by propaganda.

That's the point of disagreement: you, as a human, can only pay attention to so much. For example, if I buy all the ad space around you and fill it with only my own message, that is propaganda that denies the same space to anyone who wants to tell the truth.

> In any case using shitposting sites as a source of information is tricky, journalism isn't that bad yet.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/09/25/1-in-5-am...

* A made-up party, any similarities to actual persons is coincidence and all the usual disclaimer etc etc.