Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

What about us non native speakers? Who make many grammar and spelling mistakes and welcome the help of an llm in eliminating the erros?

THANK YOU!!

The obvious way to keep human spaces is via webs-of-trust.

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Good addition, but there's little chance this will work out in practice.

Humans with morals follow rules, sometimes. Probabilistic software acting autonomously or following commands from amoral humans doesn't.

THIS.

This is a bit sad. The kind of people who post AI generated comments to farm reputation or exert undue influence will not be discouraged by politely asking them to stop. It's a toothless request that will only encourage people who clumsily police each other.

Without some kind of private proof of personhood enforced at the app level, this means nothing.

This seems like an overcorrection. There is a vast difference between someone copy and pasting from an LLM and using one to correct their English or improve their writing ability.

Rules like this seem to me more like fomenting witch hunting of "AI comments" than it is about improving the dialogue. Just about any place I've seen take this hardline stance doesn't improve, it just becomes filled with more people who want to want to pat each other on the back about how bad AI is.

Just my two cents. I don't filter my comments through any AI, but I am empathetic for people who might have great use of them to connect them to the conversation.

Conclusion: HN does not, for one, welcome their new AI overlords :)

The link doesn't work perfectly for me, it seems that since the page is already scrolled down all the way to the bottom, there is no way to focus specifically on the #generated element.

There were few that were very suspect commenters :). It is an issue for sure.

Meanwhile, the top comment on one of the most upvoted submissions today is AI generated by an LLM account:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47334694

Most people don't seem to care.

Half of this thread is AI assisted writing. lol.

Let's take it one step further and add the corollary, "don't submit generated/AI-edited blog posts."

This reminds me the invitation rules like lobste.rs, but it's not the ideal option

i support this.

I won't name where and which one for the obvious reason that you can and should learn to know better, but I observed a comment that was obviously and blatantly copypasted from an agent, with all the signature "it's not just X, it's Y" patterns, the emdash abuse, the "In summary,' section, generating dozens of replies in organic engagement from people who genuinely couldn't tell the difference between a real comment and an aggregation of a prompted, synthetic response.

Whatever happened to "knowing is half the battle?" Why do we accept this kind of intellectual laziness as exemption from a duty to learn and know better?

Just speaking honestly

This rule actually says "Don't admit when you are using AI to generate comments and don't admit when you are an AI"

I know it's cynical, but this is as meaningful as reddit's "upvote/downvote is not an agree/disagree or like/dislike button"

People may hate that this is true, but I cannot logically reason out how a rule like this could work. I think it's better to just accept that AI is now part of the circle, until we can figure out a "human check".

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It's far from proven or obvious whether involving an LLM in your thought process degrades your thought process.

You're absolutely right!

I enjoy AI

em-dash -> permaban?

Take the slop to moltbook.

But we are missing the point here.

It is not about whether the comment was written by AI, a native English speaker, English major, or ESL.

What matters is an idea or an opinion. That is all what matters.

This is similar to when people check someones post history and if they are pro Trump, they are immediately against their idea or opinion.

I wonder if the rule will be enforced. I see a lot of liberal / socialist / communist / anti Trump / Democratic Party politics in here even though the rule says that “Off-Topic: Most stories about politics”.

Another solution - in addition or instead - is requiring LLM output to be labeled.

The biggest danger of LLMs is impersonating humans. Obviously they have been carefully constructed to be socially appealing. Think of the motivation behind that:

It is almost completely unnecessary to LLM function and it's main application is to deceive and manipulate. Legal regulation of LLMs should ban impersonation of humans, including anthropomorphism (and so should HN's regulation). Call an LLM 'software' and label it's output as 'output'.

Imagine how many problems would be solved by that rule. Yes, it's not universally enforceable, but attach a big enough penalty and known people and corporations will not do it, and most people will decide it's not worth it.

I, for one, welcome my human overlords.

Should be unnecessary. If you think otherwise just fuck off.

Here is one elephant in the room: what is the process behind this guideline / policy? What happens after a comment gets deleted or a person gets banned?

As I understand it, HN moderators are thinking hard about this insane new world.* From my POV, there are a combination of worthy goals: transparency of the process, mechanisms for appeal, overall signal-to-noise ratio, and (something all of us can do better) more empathy and intellectual honestly. It isn't kind to accuse a human being of not being a human being.

If we can't find ways to be kind to people because of the new dynamic, maybe we need to figure out a new dynamic! And it isn't just about individuals; it is about the culture and the system and the technology we're embedded in.

* Aside: I'm not sure that any of us really can grasp the magnitude of what is happening -- this is kuh-ray-Z.

I find it interesting that we havent invented a democratic version of policing a rule system. HN is dang, and he is dictator and guardian of these rules, basically. If you replace them with some typical reddit mod HN dies. If you spread out this role to some democratically elected mods via karma system this will fall apart just as quick as StackOverflow did, so, also HN dies.

Lol

lmfao ycombinator that funds with millions AI companies, holy hypocrites haha

> Don't post generated comments or AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans.

Where's the curiosity about this world-changing technology? As all the CTOs have recently said: AI use not an option and it must change everything we do. /s

HN is leftist echo chamber and down view points they disagree with. Fuck Dang, can’t wait to see this website go to AI slop.

Is there a site that deserves more than this one to be destroyed by slop? It's hypocritical but telling for the places most actively trying to profit from it to ban it themselves.

lol, lmao

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You're absolutely right!

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Doesn’t mean anything when even one of the first rule is not enforced at all

> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics

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Love to see it.

The next step is to run Pangram on every post and ban the offenders! Fight AI with AI! /s

In all seriousness, this is one of the few places I trust for genuine conversations with other people. Forums are mostly dead, Reddit is bots-galore, and I'm not signing up for Facebook just for groups.

You're absolutely right! /s

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