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Open source AI must win

901 pointsby vednigtoday at 2:14 AM282 commentsview on HN

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simianwordstoday at 6:54 AM

This will never work - a strong enough LLM model will also let you synthesise bioweapons etc.

How can you release this to public?!

Why else do you think Anthropic is heavily restricting Fable? You can’t just handwave safety concerns.

RIshabh235today at 3:29 AM

our dependency on US AI will lead to data concentration in hands of few megacorps.

danielrmaytoday at 2:52 AM

I hope the news moves this debate past "open weights vs. closed APIs" as the only axis. Open weights matter, definitely, but applied AI also needs open infrastructure around the model and it feels a bit like I'm yelling into the abyss highlighting the future we're incentivizing - cognition rented from a few institutions with access changing based on policy, geopolitics and platform incentives like advertising

giancarlostorotoday at 5:20 AM

I mean, even if the frontier labs opened their frontier models, only nation-state level actors are capable of running them. A lot of the tech is very open and known, its putting it all together that's the struggle.

xmlytoday at 4:57 AM

Totally agreed!

themafiatoday at 5:30 AM

Given that it's most public use in open source so far is to whitewash GPL code into MIT code, no, I'm sorry, I don't think "open source AI" is particularly important.

d--btoday at 5:28 AM

It’s the GPUs, not the weights that are the key.

As long as these models require a lot of computing power, the best models open source or not will be served by corporations who can afford the infra.

m3kw9today at 5:25 AM

It likely won’t based on how SOTA are developed.

gigel82today at 4:43 AM

But if "they" stay on the current trajectory we'll never own hardware capable enough to run the open source AI. They want us to rent everything from the cloud and never own it. If a government-supported cartel forms around this idea (which appears to be the case) that's the end of it.

pipeline_peaktoday at 4:40 AM

Open source projects are only successful when they make what they replace obsolete. This worked with Linux and GCC but this isn't gonna work with LLM's.

Who's gonna pay to power an open source AI? Will it perform well enough to make Chat-GPT and Claude obsolete?

nektrotoday at 3:05 AM

the public only wins once we shut it down globally through treaties like other tech that's too dangerous for anyone to have

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TurdF3rgusontoday at 4:07 AM

In the end it will win in some universes and lose in others, just like the Nazis.

All we can do is hope we end up in the one where things are ok.

threethirtytwotoday at 3:55 AM

The only way for open source to win is for closed source to provide the compute resources.

That’s really the only thing stopping people from training or running these models at home:

rustcleanertoday at 5:12 AM

Never rent. Never subscribe.

Subscribing is cuck paypig behavior.

You're not a cuck paypig now, are you?

Pass this on to your frens, it may save the future!

impuretoday at 2:38 AM

Not to be that guy, but the correct term is Open Weight LLM. And I’d argue it already has. Many open models are already very competitive with closed models at a fraction of the cost.

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MaxPocktoday at 2:39 AM

Were it not for China, America would have restricted the most advanced models from being used outside the US. NATO members would have access to GPT-4, with some countries entirely blocked from AI.

Biden's GPU controls should give you an idea. Thank you, China. Open source AI must win.

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gnarlousetoday at 2:49 AM

BAP BAP BAP goes the Billionaire Alignment Problem

wewewedxfgdftoday at 2:46 AM

Yeah except for all the money it costs to do well.

mrcwinntoday at 2:39 AM

Quick, someone start open data center and open energy system and open water supply.

sterentoday at 3:35 AM

Wasn't it the point of ... OpenAI?

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imjonsetoday at 8:22 AM

A website stating the obvious, given small target audience it will probably reach, and a call to arms consisting in emailing a random unknown person.

We're saved /s

Instead of doing a vanity site with a shelf-life of a few days, see where the action already is in online local LLM research and communities and contribute.

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olalondetoday at 8:24 AM

Isn't that OpenAI's mission? "Our mission is to ensure artificial general intelligence benefits all of humanity."

/s

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CharlesWtoday at 2:41 AM

Can we assume that the author isn't using "Opensource" to mean "Openweights"?

Or are we still collectively brainwashed by the strategic false equivalence established by Big AI CMOs?

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