alt Hacker NewsAnthropic says Alibaba illicitly extracted Claude AI model capabilities
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it sure sucks when people steal your hard work for free without paying for it doesn't it anthropic
It's not fair when others do it.
Call the wambulance a company that stole all of humanities public data to train a model is mad that someone used their model to train another model.
Give me a break. Every employee of anthropic is going to have $20m or more at the IPO.
I found out today that an employee of the home care agency I own is homeless. We are trying to figure out how to help her but it's shockingly common in the industry and there are limited resources to solve the reality of working homelessness.
Incentive is for users in general to release sessions (sans PII, credentials) so all AI get better and there is alternatives. Even if China didn't do this, I don't see frontier labs being able to charge premium over others for long. RSI maybe?
if they’re paying for the tokens, what’s the problem
Hey, Alanis Morissette, this one is ironic.
Wait so they're upset that people used their IP to train a model without their consent or paying them anything?
or is this just about the token reselling?
is there a good recipe or guide on doing a successful distillation these days?
A company which got rich on extracting the world's content is complaining that another company has extracted their work?!
LOL!
Get a grip, son.
People prefer Chinese models to US models. Looks like it is a counterattack.
Has anyone else noticed that Deepseek v4 running in Claude Code will try to read, list, tail as many files/logs/... as it can for even the most simple tasks?
Oh, c'mon. If Alibaba wanted, it can have the entire Claude/Mythos source code and data by next week. All you need is enough bribe to a developer that has access to the repository. Humans are always the weakest link in anything.
Anthropic also trained on all human knowledge, so I'm okay with others distilling their models.
Perhaps this is related to the "Mythos is too dangerous and cannot be exported" movements? It'd be a fairly effective way to justify extreme actions in combating it.
One could even wonder if they requested it, as a tactic to support their eventual IPO valuation.
Which is part of the problem of such an obviously-corrupt government: conspiracy theories are somewhat reasonable, as they keep getting validated.
How the hell does Anthropic continue to make such hypocritical complaints without deeply cringing?
It's becoming embarrassing to watch
If true then Alibaba is doing us a public service, good job, I hope this extraction was successful.
Oh no, someone is profiting of the work of others?!
anyways...
fucking lol. it is always funny when companies use opensource and other free for non commercial use - and plain old piracy - and then cry about the same practices.
How do I donate my logs
So let me get this straight, a company which built its whole business on ignoring IP is all of a sudden upset that somebody is not respecting their IP?
It's hard to sympathize with Anthropic for this or the export ban, the hype over model capabilities probably fuels both things (in some ways). Training data for me, but not for thee (at any scale) doesn't seem like a tenable position. If anything, Claude's constitutional outputs should be trained on more rather than less.
Karma truly is a bitch
Nevermind government edicts & bans -- this seems like reason enough for them to require Know Their Customers, require ID, and shut of certain nations.
Failing to have done so seems to have allowed 25000 fake Chinese accounts to walk off with their product...
OFC I wouldn't trust the Chinese enough to ack their models the time of day, but Anthropic seems to have allowed far more ... yikes
I like that they use “illicit” and “fraudulent” like as if model distillation is illegal and giving them money and then doing whatever they want with the output of their publicly accessible models (which Anthropic does not own) is… also illegal?
“Anthropic, red faced after unattended ice cream cone eaten by ants on park bench, once again demands government pick it as forever winner, adds ‘no take backsies’”
Says the company that is involved in the largest copyright heists of all time to build it's product.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Anthropic keeps throwing stones every few weeks.
What I get from this is frontier model capabilities are being stagnant.
I am sorry, but companies doing biggest IP theft in history have no moral right to complain here.
Similar to improving an independent search engine by scraping Google search results and learning from it. Shady but legit
Good. I'm glad. Keep it up, China. Loving my cheap GLM and DeepSeek.
I'm sorry, but I can't stop laughing at an AI company crying about theft of their IP.
We have Claude at home!
Notice how Anthropic is now scapegoating Chinese models providers like Alibaba and outright accusing them of distilling their models.
Whether if it is true or not, this is part of their effort into using them as an example to scare everyone into getting congress to ban powerful models from being accessed outside of the US and also banning powerful local models from being released.
Anthropic does not care about you, and they are not your friends.
Another day, another excuse as to why Fable 5 was pulled. Just waiting for Anthropic saying the Persona partnership was the fault of the Chinese.
Anthropic training their models full of copyright data, so?
> Meanwhile, on June 12, two days after Anthropic sent the letter, the Commerce Department imposed controversial restrictions on Anthropic's latest Mythos and Fable AI models because officials feared they could be deployed by military intelligence users in China and other countries of concern.
So that was the real reason for the Fable restriction? Because Anthropic wrote a letter to the US government saying that China was distilling Fable?
willy wonka oh-go-on-dot-gif
Gosh, overusing accounts running up unplanned-for expenses?
Kinda reminds me of...overusage charges and inflated expenses clients have had to deal with because Anthropic, OpenAI, Grok, etc have been "illicitly extracting" everything they can grab from said websites, as fast as they can. In what amounts to a DDOS, frankly.
lol. good for the chinese. I hope their models get better than the closed american ones quick so we can stop using "controlled" models.
so what? anthropic stole this functionality from everyone else
laughs in ironic
How dare they! Only we should be illicitely extracting everything others done!
/Anthropic-probably
we now know what to use when Fable is too dangerous !
Well, of course they did. Are you kidding?
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Did Alibaba procure tons of stuff from Anthropic without paying, and use it to train a model?
I don't see the issue. Didn't Anthropic train on our data, which it acquired illegally?