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GPT-5.6

1126 pointsby logickkk1yesterday at 5:04 PM813 commentsview on HN

https://deploymentsafety.openai.com/gpt-5-6/gpt-5-6.pdf

https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/latest-model

https://x.com/levie/status/2075287443411222628, https://xcancel.com/levie/status/2075287443411222628


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ls612yesterday at 6:47 PM

I think the most interesting part of this is that OpenAI is going way easier on the classifiers than Anthropic. They explicitly state that many defensive cybersecurity uses are supported and implicitly criticize Anthropic's stance on Fable's uses by saying that overblocking cyber requests is itself a major security risk as more AI models continue to advance in intelligence. I have so many questions as to what is going on on a game theoretic level in the AI space in the past two months, it seems like multiple actors have realized their incentives are really quite different than they originally thought.

maxdoyesterday at 5:51 PM

cursor benchmarks with GPT 5.6 in picture, a good reason to stop using opus.

https://cursor.com/evals

The good news you don't have to send your dollars to China to fund ai dictatorship, in russia, north korea, african countries and south america.

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paul7986yesterday at 6:36 PM

For writing GPT which i was subscribed to Fall 2024 to March 2026 (laid off) is superior to Gemini. Been using Gemini since March mostly and they offered a $10 a month plan so i took it. Though today realizing GPT is superior to help me write I am back to being a paying customer. Im in full swing mode to get back into the job market (get the heck away from UI/UX which is now a stupid career in terms of number of jobs out there and in the future there will continue to be less) pivoting into product management (can vibe code anything now) and or customer relations. Hopefully GPT helps me with this pivot and Im again gainfully employed!

guybedoyesterday at 7:04 PM

It's good to see labs taking into account the cost/task.

Grok 4.5 is interesting because it's smart enough at great price. It seems gpt 5.6 is right there with great efficiency and great pricing.

Working with Fable has been a great experience, but at the end of the day, if you can get only 10% of your work done because it just burns through tokens, that's not that interesting.

I've been mostly using Opus and Fable high for planning and codex 5.5 medium for implementations. Claude is also the only model i can use for design tasks. If gpt 5.6 can finally deliver on the design side, it might be time to ditch the Claude sub and go full Gpt.

saberienceyesterday at 5:10 PM

"On Agents’ Last Exam (opens in a new window), an evaluation of long-running professional workflows across 55 fields, GPT‑5.6 Sol sets a new high of 53.6, eclipsing Claude Fable 5 (adaptive reasoning) by 13.1 points. Even at medium reasoning, it beats Fable 5 by 11.4 points at roughly one-quarter the estimated cost. That efficiency extends to smaller models, which are essential to making intelligence more abundant and affordable: GPT‑5.6 Terra and GPT‑5.6 Luna outperform Fable 5 at around one-sixteenth the cost. "

Some pretty big claims and results! Excited to see how it feels during usage.

I use Fable and 5.5 extensively and I still find both have a place in my toolkit, i.e. Fable IS good but it isn't perfect, and it's still better to play them off against each other. I have Fable and 5.5 write plans and have them adversarially review each other's plans.

Having this amount of competition in the coding model space is good for all of us.

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mydreamofyesterday at 7:27 PM

Bro these colors on chars are unbelievlable, I can not understand which is opus, which is fable, which is GPT...

simianwordsyesterday at 8:26 PM

GPT Terra is 50% cheaper than 5.5 while being more performant. So it’s like a straight up 50% reduction in cost!

That leads me to a question. Why wouldn’t they just default to terra in ChatGPT in the last few months? If they didn’t then they burnt money for no reason by giving a shittier model at a higher price

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gverrillayesterday at 7:59 PM

If Fable is removed from my Anthropic sub, I'll have to change to OpenAI.

browskiyesterday at 5:27 PM

Here's me using a Gemini chat log scraper (from Gdrive) then dumping my prompt+Gemini response into local AI

Never go over the free limits in Gemini Pro.

Gemini is great at research and architecture, and my 30 years experience in programming everything; for fun or work; means together there is little to no code slop.

Add to project repo some git submodules of reference source code; boom, bobs your uncle

Zero reason to sign up for OAI or Claude. With employers realizing the costs are more than employees, local models getting more powerful, and models in chips just a few years out, neither of the one note LLM companies without diversified services and R&D portfolios gonna last

brcmthrowawayyesterday at 7:02 PM

Benchmaxxed

diwankyesterday at 6:24 PM

i'm not happy with how openai is trying to pit 5.6 sol as a cheaper equivalent to fable here

for one thing, they said that on AA, sol is "within one point of fable" at 58.9 vs 59.9 but don't clarify that the latter is with safeguards where ~8% of the tasks got routed to opus

i'm not rooting for either and genuinely think that the token efficiency and cheaper price are important but this sort of thing just feels disingenuous :-/

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OutOfHereyesterday at 6:04 PM

Like the last time, again they failed to note whether there is an Instant model or when it might become available.

Razenganyesterday at 6:02 PM

Just a day before my $100 subscription expires, perfect

therobots927yesterday at 5:13 PM

Do they expect us this model is 15ppt more accurate at half the price of fable? What’s going on?

dude250711yesterday at 5:13 PM

Not available - checked and it's not there.

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bearmaniayesterday at 5:38 PM

If OpenAI can add all the features from CC into Codex i’ll gladly switch.

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tipiiraiyesterday at 5:10 PM

Thought Fable was great

golangdevyesterday at 6:32 PM

good alternative to anthropic

stanmayyesterday at 11:05 PM

sol is good

gozucitoyesterday at 5:16 PM

The meat of the report for SWEs:

SWE-Bench Pro Sol: 64.6% Fable: 80% Opus: 69.2% (!!!!)

So, it still trails Opus, significantly, and is not a next-gen coding model like Mythos/Fable 5.

Disappointing to say the least, but somewhat expected.

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ddxvyesterday at 5:46 PM

I'm disappointed these models continue to be closed source and so expensive.

Open weight models being 10x or more cheaper is just so much more of an unlock than incremental gains for me.

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bearmaniayesterday at 5:40 PM

if OpenAI adds all the features from CC into Codex, i’ll gladly switch.

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simianwordsyesterday at 5:24 PM

> On the Artificial Analysis Coding Agent Index, GPT‑5.6 Sol with max reasoning sets a new state of the art at 80, 2.8 points above Fable 5, while using less than half the output tokens, taking less than half the time, and costing about one-third less.

> That advantage extends across the family: Terra performs just above Fable 5, while Luna outperforms Opus 4.8; each does so in roughly one-third of the time, with about half as many output tokens, and at approximately one-quarter the estimated cost.

Wow. I don't believe it. Every indication and twitter post told me that Fable is much more intelligent than Sol and here we are told that even Terra outperforms Fable?

Not only that, Sol doesn't even come with run time classifiers. So it is even more suspicious.

What's even stranger is that OpenAI is directly referencing a competitor in this direct way.

rvzyesterday at 5:10 PM

Most importantly, the cost:

> GPT‑5.6 is priced per 1M tokens across three model sizes: Sol is $5 input / $30 output; Terra is $2.50 input / $15 output; and Luna is $1 input / $6 output.

Just as expensive as Fable 5. But of course, another slot machine upgrade but the costs will keep going up and the open weight models from china will continue to race everyone else to $0.

Looking forward to the next version of GLM, Qwen, Deepseek and Minimax.

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delducayesterday at 11:15 PM

“Be scared”

ai_fry_ur_braintoday at 12:28 AM

Are you people seriously this dumb? Have you conwidered that all of these benchmarks are trained into these models. Can you stop sharing them as if they matter?

enraged_camelyesterday at 5:13 PM

CTRL-F: Fable

15 hits

Holy shit. They must be feeling very threatened by Fable if they're spending this much energy talking about it in the release notes for their own model.

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system2yesterday at 5:06 PM

At this point, they are just changing the decimals to stay relevant and in the news.

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willchisyesterday at 5:13 PM

The marketing team must've done research that said "people are starting to think that you guys are evil-water-stealing-lay-off-loving-bubble-bursting scumbags" and decided to really lean into the small family business and happy font vibes!

I_am_tiberiusyesterday at 5:25 PM

The way they talk about cyber security fixes makes clear that they are in bed with the government in order to get ahead of Anthropic.

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itvisionyesterday at 7:03 PM

Weirdly, normally new ChatGPT releases are head and shoulders above anything else, but according to OpenAI's own evaluation, Anthropic's Mythos outperforms ChatGPT in quite a few benchmarks: https://openai.com/index/gpt-5-6/.

ChatGPT 6 must be deep in the pipeline and will be released within the next few months. Maybe that's why this release is versioned 5.6, not 6.0.