Gemini 4 Argon

> trusted cyber defenders

Sounds like a 90s early morning TV show.

I'm gonna pay attention to this once it ships.

Is there reason antigravity has 3.8, 3.7, 3.6, 3.1 and old ass claude / gpt models in the drop down. like why is this not streamlined or deprecaed models removed.

Damn way to undermine yourself in your own blog post Google:

"The end result is a memory-safe video decoder that runs 2.7x faster than the Rust port, with identical video output, bringing it closer to the optimized C++."

Close but no cigar!

Tough to compete against your own stake in Anthropic and they just filed for IPO. Not digging Google as a result of this, they are holding back.

What harness do you all use for Gemini models? Gemini CLI still sucks last time I tried. Maybe PI?

Gemini 3.8 Flash is suprisingly fast, how fast is Argon compared to the other frontier models? Does google have a performance edge?

Were infinite loops fixed? There are 2 official google forums requests with no answer for years now. I still suffer each day on our repo. Codex work fine nor we have explicit loop request in repo texts.

The top button reads "Listen to article - [[duration]] minutes"

Even advanced AI can't prevent broken templates haha.

Gemini 3 Pro was amazing, so I wonder what this one will be like.

Whatever it is - I'm not gonna use AGY again. I'd rather use claude-code-router instead, to give gemini-4 a shot.

the thing is, by the time gemini 4 is available for regular folks, anthropic and openai will probably have much better models already rolled out

> 1M output token limit

what about input?

(Maybe I missed it)

I remember when every day a new modem baud rate was announced.

Cant wait for this AI hype to be over, so I can Terence this shizz as old school too

Unfortunately it’s not actually released yet to mere mortals.

Can you pls fix Gemini? It's a nightmare to use and it sometimes confused the language i talk with it.

I hope they got their inference under control. Gemini has a lot of "overloaded" hiccups.

I started my antigravity ide and I do not see gemini 4 there, does it mean google need government approval?

Of course it's not even available yet. Google - with all due respect - how in the world have you not figured this out yet?

Personally, I'm waiting for Gemini Krypton, Xenon, and Radon.

Jokes aside, looks like an impressive model!

So here's a crazy conspiracy theory for you: Google is not letting outside people use their models because if they did they would have to scale up their TPU production faster than they can manage, and they would instead have to buy and use nvidia hardware which would destroy their profit margins and tank their stock.

Gemini runs fully on TPU's right? Is Google maxing out the production on those?

deepswe vs frontierswe spread is huge.

I think that should be a really bad sign, but hope its great.

Wonder if it's benchmaxxed or not (guessing yes)

No mention of knowledge cutoff.

Is there a way to use Gemini models without linking your usage to your personal Google account yet?

Hopefully their harnesses aren't unusable when they release this

no Pareto frontier graph?

they really ought to add ACP support. until then, it's a no go. i'm not going to use their TUI or their VSCode fork

I wonder how it will be at solving open math problems.

I don't have access; this is meaningless to me.

So, this is the third (I think) big AI corporation after OpenAI and Anthropic to release general models for elites only.

Don't use this model unless you like sitting under the table and eating crumbs off the floor.

What keeps both Gemini and Grok from actually being frontier class AIs is effort. Both AIs rush to give you a response even when the effort is set to the highest setting. Hopefully, Argon isn’t as prone to satisficing and premature convergence compared to its predecessor

Other than not being available publicly, I find it extremely disappointing about Google’s two-faced behavior. CEO signs an official document with POTUS stating that AI is now SI, but the release of the new model doesn’t mention SI even once. Even worse, it’s AI all over that page.

Putting an inert element in the name is a weird choice. Personally, I think "Gemini 4" is sufficient.

This is a prerelease and the title should have reflected that.

I've noticed all major providers having shockingly high token discounts on cached tokens. Thank you Deepseek is all I have to say. Forever grateful to that wonderful company, I wish them continued financial success.

On the off chance there are Google execs going through this thread:

Google, if you've actually managed to catch up again, please don't fuck this up (again).

You made Gemini 2.5 Pro so difficult to use that myself and everyone else I know (who even bothered to try) just gave up and used something else. If you make this hard to access, you're going to miss out on rich usage-based training data that you need to progress your capability frontier. Again.

Oh we're down to gas names now?

Goshdarnit they didn't see my suggestion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49899171

I'll consider it if they let me use a subscription with a custom harness, like Codex does. Until then, no thanks.

Wen gemini desktop coding app?

> Large Scale Codebase Migrations and Optimizations: Argon agents are working on migrating C/C++ codebases to Rust across Google

So Google is migrating codebases from C to Rust? That is interesting...

More Cartmanland marketing. It's the best park ever, and you can't come!

Get lost.

Aaand of course we can’t use it! GoOgLe iS bAcK iN tHe GaMe! There’s basically no way around it, all enterprises end up dysfunctionally shipping their org chart.

Looks like an impressive model

weird, isnt it SI?

Can’t wait to get my hands on yet another model that’s only good coding, because clearly that’s what the world needs.

I still miss the days of Sonnet 4.5 and 4o, those models were actually good at creating stories and writing text that was actually readable by a human being.

Utterly inert? Suppose that reads safe...

Gemini past month or two i will paste in something i wrote and ask it to rewrite it but it will just go into more detail about the subject. Is it becoming a dumb Ai compared to GPT and now Muse?

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