> Which one of those do you think has the respect of the real world?

Judging by the direction of C++ apologists these days - probably the people that promote Rust as a better LLVM-compiled language than it's alternatives? Renouncing them would kinda mean renouncing the concept of IR as a whole, which coincidentally seems to be the saving grace of the C programming language too. Without intermediate representation, both languages are unfit for commercial or optimization-sensitive applications.

The entire world of compiled languages has always been a ravenous and ego-fuelled madhouse. This recent attempt to slough off the discourse onto the Rust community is stupid, because if we dig down to the compiler level we're literally arguing over semantics. If you wouldn't call LLVM or Valgrind advocates "overzealous" then you probably don't have a rational reason to say it to Rust advocates either. And I just say that as a guy who wants my kernel to not suck balls.