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You realize achieving a compromise is not simply "ignoring" or surrendering to Russia?

Putin and Biden haven't spoken in years. I would say you're proposing ignoring the situation until it becomes even more of a powder keg in a decade or two.

Alternative is accepting some territorial losses, compromising, soldiers go home. Doomsday clock ticks back to 5 minutes to midnight.

You're acting as if this is the first time anyone has annexed territory. Do I like it? No. But you gotta manage with the cards you're dealt and that territory is not worth decades long conflict with two major nuclear powers.


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aguaviva10/11/2024

You realize achieving a compromise is not simply "ignoring" or surrendering to Russia?

Depends on the degree of compromise.

What kind of compromises do you think Ukraine should make at this point in order to win "peace" with Russia?

Specifics needed please, especially in regard to: (1) the proportion of currently occupied territory Ukraine would need to grant permanent recognized sovereignty to Russia on; (2) the proportion of the the estimated 1T in material damage caused to Ukraine that Russia would need to pay before sanctions are lifted; and (3) the matter of some 20k abducted citizens, mostly minors that Ukraine asserts (with a high degree of credibility) are currently behind held by Russia?

Because it's the specifics that matter.

(BTW, future NATO status is mostly symbolic at this point; items (1)-(3) are what really matter).

anigbrowl10/11/2024

Alternative is accepting some territorial losses, compromising, soldiers go home.

This is just machtpolitik.