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kranke15510/11/20243 repliesview on HN

Are Americans really so scared of Marx to admit that AI fundamentally proves his point?

Dario here says "yeah likely the economic system won't work anymore" but he doesn't dare say what comes next: It's obvious some kind of socialist system is inevitable, at least for basic goods and housing. How can you deny that to a person in a post-AGI world where almost no one can produce economic value that beats the ever cheaper AI?


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gyre00710/11/2024

If, and it is an IF, this does turn out the way he is imagining, the transitional period to the AI from the economic PoV will be disastrous for people. That's the scariest part I think.

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xpe10/12/2024

This is far from obvious.

First, technically speaking, one could have democratic-capitalistic systems with high degrees of redistribution (such as UBI) that don’t fit the pattern of classic socialism.

Second, have you read Superintelligence or similar writing? I view it as essential reading before making a claim that some particular AI-related economic future is obvious. There is considerable nuance.

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tim33310/13/2024

I don't think Marx wrote much about AI and what he did write about didn't lead to much happiness when people tried to implement it.

You can see that computers doing the work will lead to a different society without bringing Marx into it.

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