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bloomingeekyesterday at 5:42 PM8 repliesview on HN

The arm-pit state of Oklahoma, where I live, is considering a "mile tax" to support the maintenance of our road system. Of course we know it's also to offset EV vehicles gas tax loss. (which EV owners already have) Our roads are terrible and don't usually get repaired until they're almost dangerous.

This tax will hurt fixed income and poorer people the most. As Thomas Jefferson said: “The government you elect is the government you deserve.” My state is so red, it's scarlet.


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olyjohnyesterday at 7:18 PM

Every state has been getting lobbied to do this for at least the last 10 years. These bills come through the legislatures every year, and I think it will keep coming until finally one of them passes. There are manufacturers of the GPS trackers pushing for it, and companies who want to have the state-granted monopoly to manage the tracking and billing. They are frothing at the mouth to get this passed and make a ton of money billing every single person.

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qupyesterday at 6:25 PM

I can't figure out if you want the roads fixed or you don't want the tax.

zip1234today at 12:42 AM

Why should we subsidize driving exactly? Charge per mile based on how much vehicle weighs and pollutes and charge enough to cover the cost of maintaining the roads. Many of the poorest people can't even afford a car. Insurance, fuel, maintenance are expensive and paying for roads is expensive.

cake_robotyesterday at 10:17 PM

Internalizing the costs you create are good though. In a perfect world I would think weight x miles would be what you'd want to tax on. I say this as someone who owns an EV; I should have to account for the higher road deterioration my heavier vehicle causes. If someone's income is too low you fix that other ways than trying to subsidize their externalizing behaviors.

brewdadyesterday at 8:54 PM

Oregon has tried to implement a miles tax multiple times but failed to pass it. Instead they've opted for a surcharge on vehicle registrations for EVs and also on any vehicle that gets better than 20 mpg.

Counterproductive from a climate change standpoint for a "green" state but it preserved the road money.

surfaceofthesunyesterday at 8:45 PM

I think a miles traveled tax that accounts for vehicle weight would probably less regressive than the current gas tax.

EVs save substantially in running costs. I’d imagine it would charge those using 3/4 and 1-ton pickups as family cars the most.

lotsofpulpyesterday at 6:41 PM

People being too poor is a separate issue from bad tax systems incentivizing unsustainable behavior.

Tax liabilities that are a function of consumption are the right way to tax.

If the tax burden is deemed too high for poor people, then give them cash.

Two different problems, two different solutions, and it keeps the incentives aligned properly.

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