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itsoktocry11/20/20245 repliesview on HN

>More chaos.

Is it your opinion that climate change is universally bad? Language like "more chaos" make it sound that way: whatever changes happen are bad. I can't imagine that's the case. Some things will certainly be bad, and some not so much.


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vkou11/20/2024

If I go to your house, and start messing with your thermostat, as well as the internal temperature sensors for your fridge and freezer, would you say that's fine, because some of the changes are not bad?

Surely, you wouldn't mind your freezer warming to above freezing every other Tuesday? That change may be bad, but some of the other changes I'll make might be good...

Our societies optimize around climate bands, be it in agriculture, housing, transportation, etc. The benefit of having temperatures and weather swinging in a 'good' direction half the time will be more than offset by them swinging in a 'bad' direction even a fraction of the time.

The PNW might not mind a 60 degree winter (it's better than a 50 degree one, except for the pine beetle eating all of its lumber because the winters aren't cold enough to kill it, but that ship has sailed years ago), but it sure as hell will mind 100 degree highs in the summer (which are much worse than 90 degree ones). The last time one happened in 2021, over a thousand people died.

And on the agricultural front: It takes three months to grow our food crops, but it only takes one bad weekend to ruin a harvest.

Luckily, I'll probably be dead before the worst of this will existentially affect me. Your kids will be the ones who will have to sort out the mess that people currently upset over $4 eggs are making. Bon appetit!

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idiotsecant11/20/2024

If, for example, you are a cockroach it'll probably be great! Humans, however, particularly in the modern world, are very dependant on all parts of a very complex system operating to enjoy the quality of life many readers on HN enjoy.

An unceasing labyrinthine supply chain operates day and night with tendrils in a million other complex systems in order to make sure that you have food, water, medicine, law and order, HVAC, etc.

We are an inch from chaos, moreso than any time in history.

Substantial disruption to these systems will be poorly tolerated and could easily lead to the kind of lifestyle we haven't seen since we found out that sharpened sticks make for excellent negotiation devices.

fasa9911/21/2024

It's bad, very bad, apocalyptically end-of-the world so. The oceans will rise over 19 miles above their current level. Weather will be come drastically chaotic, one day there will be 100 feet of snow falling in an epic blizzard, the next, 200 degrees farenheit could cook an egg. The world will end right now.

We need to reduce the population by 99.9% and stop all oil pumping full stop, stop all nuclear power, it will be painful but it's better than the alternative, we are the custodians of the environment and we need to treat it as more sacred than human life, this is what I feel and I'm an authority so you should listen to me.

Projectiboga11/20/2024

The changes won't be linear, they will go exponential and when a major "shift" starts it will flip to a new state in about 12-13 years. Just because the changes have seemed to be gradual so far doesn't mean that will continue even over the next couple of years. The rate of increase has jumped the last couple of years, watch out things are about to get very serious.

roboror11/20/2024

Is it your opinion that chaos is universally bad? Heat (colloquially) increases entropy, and since we are so dependent on initial conditions (current climate) changing climate inherently causes chaos.

Do you find the tundra too cold and dry? Then sure, you will benefit.

Do you like your current climate? Do you find it too predictable? Would higher energy air make it better?