The HN you are yearning for disappeared about 8-10 years ago when it was largely taken over by normies and people way outside the hard-core-tech fold. It's not very different from Reddit front-page now if the topic is even remotely political.
For purely technical topics you expect good quality discussion, but those threads barely get comments in the two digits.
Yes sometimes the loudest voice definitely rises to the top and it’s annoying, but I also think it’s a condition that too many new members don’t know how to use the upvote button.
I also think it’s a symptom that HN does not allow enough people to use the down vote button. you could be a commenting member for years and not be able to downvote or you could be somebody who posts a few click bate links you copied from another aggregator and all of a sudden you have the ability to downvote. It’s pretty dumb.
Yeah, normies suck. I totally only want to hear from people obsessed with the latest computer Science minutia!
If you think HN users are normies, I think you might be in a bubble. Normies ain’t this literate.