alt Hacker News> Because most people barely know in depth the packaging challenges for one ecosystem.
I think you’re greatly overstating the problem, at least insofar as it relates to this tool.
For example, Python has its prefix (where packages are installed) baked into its installation. pip, ux, poetry — whatever — are going to install python packages there.
This tool is unconcerned with package installation — it is only concerned with getting the interpreters installed and managing which one is on your $PATH.
There’s literally nothing to leak.
And regarding “wraping existing tools” as proof of some shortcoming in mise (and/or similar) — if they reinvented the wheel, that’s where things could leak. And separation of concerns is a good thing.
Bootstrapping python incorrectly is the main source of packaging problem.
There is a lot to leak. For exemple, if you install a non wheel compiled extension, you'll need the headers, but some python distro don't provide it.
Then of course, on windows, is your python registered with the py launcher? How does it interact with existing anaconda installations ? On linux on existing system installation ? Is the shim (or path update for mise) affecting /bin/env ? How that works with .pyw association ?
The. what does it implies on the venv creation and activation ? And on using -m ? And .pth files ? user-sites ?
All those questions are linked to bootstrapping.
What happens then is pip install fail or import break, but the user have no idea it's related to his bad python setup because most people don't know how it works.
And now bootstrapping has broken packaging.
This is where most "python packaging sucks" things are born: from unkowingly botching the bootstrapping.
And the vast majority of tools to do it suck. E.g: Shims are all kind of broken (pyenv and rye come to mind).
To suceed, mise would have to know all that, pick the right tool, make a perfect abstraction, create fantastic error reporting, and test all those cases on ci on all platforms.
It's possible, but I know only one project that does this almost correctly. And even this one has a long way to go.
Saying "there is literally nothing to leak" is actually perfectly making my point most people don't know the topic deeply enough to know what they get into.
Then of courses there are all the modes of failure. This article has a good bit about that:
https://www.bitecode.dev/p/why-not-tell-people-to-simply-use
It's cover more than mise's scope, but the idea is there.