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mgiampapayesterday at 2:11 AM9 repliesview on HN

How about profit caps? I feel like government stepping in and being the insurer with a sufficiently large pool of risk to spread around lets them set a fair rate without the need to make a return or answer to shareholders.

To some extent this has helped with health insurance. Each year I get a check back from my insurer saying they didn't spend enough on my care vs my premiums.


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donavanmyesterday at 6:06 AM

> I feel like government stepping in and being the insurer with a sufficiently large pool of risk to spread around lets them set a fair rate without the need to make a return or answer to shareholders.

Youre about 20-30 years late to the game, but arrive in time to see the conclusion does not match your assumption. See california for fire, florida for fstorm damage, and everywhere in the us for federal flood coverage. It doesnt work. CA FAIR has higher rates to account for increasing the coverage pool, but it doesnt look like premiums will cover the current or future loses. Which is the universal story when your policy attracts all the high risk/payout buyers. And FAIR, roughly, is setup to go recoup losses from all the _other_ insurance providers in the state. Even ones not insuring those policy holders _or that type of insurance_. Its just a layer of indirection to subsidize fire risk against all poly holders.

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bitcuriousyesterday at 2:19 AM

> To some extent this has helped with health insurance. Each year I get a check back from my insurer saying they didn't spend enough on my care vs my premiums.

This has baffled me ever since Obamacare was first passed - it seems that each year the insurance companies have an incentive to drive up the cost of healthcare, since that’s how they earn more money in absolute terms. Is it not so?

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JumpCrisscrossyesterday at 4:12 AM

> How about profit caps?

Transfers wealth from shareholders, patients and taxpayers to management, bankers and intermediaries.

Broadly speaking, caps are stupid—akin to treating liver enzymes directly when they spike versus seeing them as the sign of deeper problems.

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csomaryesterday at 2:30 AM

Sure. Because the response of a failure in governance is more government? What you are proposing is "unfair". You are essentially suggesting that the rest of the country subsidize a subset who wants to live near high-risk areas. Me too want to live in a dense forest and also have my house by the edge of the river.

You could make the argument for this for healthcare, since no one can choose which illness he is born with. But choosing your housing location is a "choice". And you can/should move somewhere else where it is less risky.

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waterhouseyesterday at 3:54 AM

Profit caps presumably create perverse consequences. If the profit I'm allowed to make is proportional to X, then I'm incentivized to maximize X. If X is my costs, then... Maybe that's where these unbelievably high line items on medical bills come from.

ladbergyesterday at 2:13 AM

Insurance companies have pretty thing profit margins regardless, even in areas where profits are not capped. It's a competitive marketplace!

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cowsandmilkyesterday at 2:22 AM

> How about profit caps?

What period do you put it over for property insurance? Profit caps work for health insurance because claims are typically not correlated. The percentage of your customers with cancer won’t 5x one year and go back to baseline the next. New drugs or treatments (or a drug going off patent) can cause correlated swings, but generally costs to health insurers don’t change a lot year to year.

For property insurance, you need to bring in profits most years to fund the year when there are multiple category V hurricanes or large fires.

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JKCalhounyesterday at 4:14 AM

Or maybe C-suite pay/benefits caps, ha ha.

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toast0yesterday at 2:31 AM

Most regulated insurance markets do have profit caps. California certainly does, but there was still a price cap added.