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383toast01/21/202515 repliesview on HN

Where are they getting the $500B? Softbank's market cap is 84b and their entire vision fund is only $100b, Oracle only has $11b cash on hand, OpenAI's only raised $17b total...


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philipwhiuk01/22/2025

MGX has at least $100bn: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/a-100-billion-middle...

This is Abu Dhabi money.

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themagician01/22/2025

Softbank is being granted a block of TRUMP MEMES, the price of which will skyrocket when they are included in the bucket of crypto assets purchased as part of the crypto reserve.

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notatoad01/21/2025

there doesn't appear to be any timeline announced here. the article says the "initial investment" is expected to be $100bn, but even that doesn't mean $100bn this year.

if this is part of softbank's existing plan to invest $100bn in ai over the next four years, then all that's being announced here is that Sama and Larry Ellison wanted to stand on a stage beside trump and remind people about it.

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TuringNYC01/21/2025

>> Where are they getting the $500B? Softbank's market cap is 84b and their entire vision fund is only $100b, Oracle only has $11b cash on hand, OpenAI's only raised $17b total...

1. The outlays can be over many years.

2. They can raise debt. People will happily invest at modest yields.

3. They can raise an equity fund.

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LarsDu8801/22/2025

Quite possibly pulled out of their asses...

If Son can actually build a 500B Vision Fund it can only come from one of two places...

somehow the dollar depreciates radically OR Saudis

Vision Fund was heavily invested in by the Saudis so...

jhallenworld01/22/2025

Oracle's cash on hand is presumably irrelevant- I think they are on the receiving end of the money, in return for servers. No wonder Larry Ellison was so fawning.

Is this is a good investment by Softbank? Who knows.. they did invest in Uber, but also have many bad investments.

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handfuloflight01/21/2025

Sleight of hand with the phrasing "up to" $500B.

dkrich01/22/2025

Psst: it’s probably going to end up being a fraction of that but doesn’t make for as good a headline

eichi01/22/2025

Probably from the corrupted financial system, but we need to forword the project, haha

mmoustafa01/22/2025

SoftBank's current AUM is $350B [1], and they will likely raise another fund.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftBank_Group

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tim33301/22/2025

I think it's more announce the plan first, then try to find the investors for most of it.

paulnpace01/22/2025

> Where are they getting the $500B?

BTC

bdangubic01/22/2025

from Uncle Sam

dang01/21/2025

I agree that the numbers are confusing so I've taken $500B out of the title above and replaced it with just data centers.

brianbest10101/22/2025

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