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idlewords01/22/20257 repliesview on HN

It's a full pardon; there is no crime.


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qingcharles01/22/2025

That's not how it works. The money can still be guilty of a crime outside of the Defendant's acquittal in civil cases like this.

source: hundreds of hours in forfeiture court

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TeaBrain01/22/2025

A pardon results in the relief from the consequences of a crime. There being a pardon doesn't necessarily mean there was no crime.

WrongAssumption01/22/2025

“A pardon is an expression of the president's forgiveness and ordinarily is granted in recognition of the applicant's acceptance of responsibility for the crime and established good conduct for a significant period of time after conviction or completion of sentence. It does not signify innocence.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_pardons_in_the_Unite...

Spooky2301/22/2025

Pardons are forgiveness. They don’t roll back the clock, although the Supreme Court ruled in 2021 that acceptance of a pardon is not an assumption of guilt.

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georgeplusplus01/22/2025

I don’t believe that’s true. A pardon does not excuse a crime.

TrackerFF01/22/2025

That would arguably create some of the worst perverse incentives, as far as financial crimes go.

Any two-bit governor could team up with some criminal, and make enough money to be set up for life against a pardon. Even worse if it's a president, as they could likely get off scot-free.

Trump could literally scam everyone and everyone, step down, receive a pardon from the VP, and happy days.

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bb8801/22/2025

Hard to agree here. A jury of his peers convicted him of the crime.