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I don't see how that should change anyone's opinion on whether the sentence was deserved. Whether it was legally/procedurally correct, sure. Whether he didn't get the day in court he should have had, sure. But given that no-one seems to seriously dispute that he did try to pay to have the guy killed, what he deserves is a long prison sentence, and whether that's imposed by a court doing things properly, a court doing things improperly, or a vigilante kidnapper isn't really here or there on that point.

(The rule of law is important, and we may let off people who deserve harsh sentences for the sake of preserving it, but it doesn't mean they deserve those sentences any less)


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pcthrowaway01/22/2025

> But given that no-one seems to seriously dispute that he did try to pay to have the guy killed

If there was enough evidence to demonstrate that he attempted to murder someone, why wasn't he charged and convicted of it?

Also, 2 of the DEA agents involved in his investigation were convicted of fraud in relation to the case.

I do believe he probably did attempt to have someone killed, but I'm far from certain of it, and think it should have no bearing on the case if there's not enough evidence to convict him.

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jmb9901/22/2025

> But given that no-one seems to seriously dispute that he did try to pay to have the guy killed,

It’s my understanding in the US that you are innocent until proven guilty, right? Therefore, he is indeed innocent of those crimes, since he was not proven guilty. Unless I’m missing something on how the US justice system works.

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mvdtnz01/22/2025

You say the rule of law is important, but also we should impose extra-legal long sentences even if the rule of law doesn't allow us to? How do you reconcile this perspective?

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lotharcable01/22/2025

> The rule of law is important,

The rule of law says innocent until proven guilty.

The reason they didn't go after him for murder for hire allegations isn't because they felt bad for him or that they didn't want to waste tax payer's money.

The reason they didn't go after him for 'murder for hire' was that they knew there was no merit in it.

This is self evident.

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