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insane_dreamer01/22/20254 repliesview on HN

Nah, it's more that you do not fuck with the money system. SBF is learning that same lesson.

Jeff Skilling (Enron) served 12 years in jail for insider trading and securities.

Not saying that Skilling, Maddoff or SBF shouldn't have gone to jail. They deserved it. But I do find it interesting that financial crimes can tend to be the most harshly judged, likely because of who they impact (the people with money) and because they cause distrust of the financial system as a whole.

> Madoff stole $20-35B

Not to defend Madoff, but it's not like he made off with that money himself, so I'm not sure "stole" is the correct term. Most of that money went to investors -- it just went to a different set of investors than the ones who had put that money in (the nature of a Ponzi scheme).


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dmix01/22/2025

> Nah, it's more that you do not fuck with the money system.

Isn't a common critique of the justice system that white-collar crime gets you less prison time (in nicer jails) than being for ex a drug dealer?

Plenty of finance scammers and conmen who stole millions get <5-10yr sentences

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pseingatl01/22/2025

Hasn't the Trustee recovered 90% of the money invested? Phantom returns were ignored; at the time of the arrest the phantom returns were considered money lost.

thaumasiotes01/22/2025

> Not to defend Madoff, but it's not like he made off with that money himself, so I'm not sure "stole" is the correct term.

What else would the term be? Did you always feel that Robin Hood was being unfairly maligned when he was described as robbing from the rich and giving to the poor?

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microtherion01/22/2025

I expect SBF will be out soonish. He's exactly the sort of white collar crook that Trump would pardon.

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