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manquer01/22/20251 replyview on HN

I don't have any qualified source and this metric would be likely be quite confidential even internally.

It is just an educated guess factoring costs of running similar/comparable models to 4o or 4o-mini per token, and how azure commitments work with OpenAI models[2], also knowing that Plus subscriptions are probably more profitable[1] than API calls.

It would be hard for even OpenAI to know with any certainty because they are not paying for Azure credits like a normal company. The costs are deeply intertwined with Azure and would be hard to split given the nature of the MS relationship[3]

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[1] This is from experience of running LibreChat using 4o versus ChatGPT Plus for ~200 users, subscriptions should quite profitable than raw API by a order of 3 to 4x, of course different types of users and adoption levels will be there my sample while not small is not likely representative of their typical user base.

[2] MS has less incentive to subsidize than say OpenAI themselves

[3] Azure is quite profitable in the aggregate, while possibly subsidizing OpenAI APIs, any such subsidy has not shown up meaningfully in Microsoft financial reports.


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throwaway203701/23/2025

Sam Altman posted to Twitter:

    > Insane thing: we are currently losing money on OpenAI pro subscriptions! people use it much more than we expected.
Ref: https://techstartups.com/2025/01/06/openai-is-losing-money-o...
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