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noch01/22/20251 replyview on HN

> Now show me the AI write something that's actually good on purpose

The average human can't even write a 3000 word short story that is good "on purpose" even if they tried.

I know because I've participated in many writing workshops.

The real question is: can you?

> AI can write an argument that's bad on purpose

Are you able to recognise good writing? How do I know? For all I know you're the most incompetent reader and writer on the planet. But your skills are irrelevant.

What's relevant is that deep learning is more skilled than the average person. If you're not aware of this you're either a luddite or confused about the state of the art.


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torginus01/22/2025

The 'strawmanning your opponent' technique is a non-argument, and is effortless to pull off. Surrounding your argument with tons of purple prose (which Claude is good at) does not change that.

Writing a good argument requires 3 things: be logical, be compelling and likeable, and have a solid reputation. It does not require purple prose.

As for good writing, I'm pretty sure Brandon Sanderson's Mistborn trilogy qualifies, which was written with a rather small vocabulary and pedestrian prose, yet is universally praised.

Tbf, I do think Claude Sonnet and SD are impressive, and I think they can aid humans in producing compelling content, but they are not on the level of amateur fiction writers.

Besides, surpassing most humans in an area where most humans are unskilled is not a feat, not even AI companies flex on that.

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