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siva701/22/202510 repliesview on HN

> "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on,"

Let's be honest. He isn't wrong. I'd rather live in a society with zero crime than what we have now.


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insane_dreamer01/22/2025

Move to China. You’ll love it. Not only does it have lower crime by virtue of being highly controlled, it also has the added benefit of you never hearing about crimes the government doesn’t want you to hear about, and you won’t hear about any police corruption or brutality either. Ignorance is bliss!

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freedomben01/22/2025

Philosophically I agree, this sounds nice. A bit false dichotomy-ish, but nice.

But if you think about it, an unstated yet necessary prerequisite is that the definition of "crime" must be morally aligned with what is right. If it's not, well then you're living in a dystopia. Imagine a world where slavery is still legal and being a runaway slave is a crime. How do people like Frederick Douglass escape and survive long enough to make a difference?

And that's before we get into the prerequisite that such a state must apply the laws completely evenly with no special tiers based on class, wealth, political connection, celebrity status, etc, which AFAIK has never been done. Given the leadership, it doesn't look like it's goig to happen anytime soon. IMHO I think it's heavily contrary to human nature and just won't be achievable short of altering human nature.

bayindirh01/22/2025

Sorry to break it to you, but oppressing people with cameras to prevent crime will only push the crime to where the cameras aren't.

This makes preventing the crime and protecting people from effects of these crimes extremely difficult.

ajmurmann01/22/2025

Yes we have historically low low crime. It's unbearable.

There are a number of countries that might give you a panopticon state of you want one

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mattlutze01/22/2025

There's a few that have tried to implement this, and I want to live in none of them.

The US will fare no better if it walks down this path, and honestly will likely fare worse for it's cultural obsession with individualism over community.

noisy_boy01/22/2025

Just be prepared to be never daring to complain; a zero crime society isn't without its faults.

YinglingHeavy01/22/2025

You stop abuse in this country, particularly of children, and you start having zero violent crime a decade later.

javcasas01/22/2025

So having a policeman in each street and corner, except the policeman bias is set by these four oligarchs.

Welcome to... choose among many of the technodystopies in literature.

wadim01/22/2025

If you're lucky, you might get your chance to live in Thiel's and Ellison's techbro utopia. Make sure to tell us how great it is to be subjected to people with no accountability, but all of the power over every aspect of your life.

laurentiurad01/24/2025

Who will supervise the gate keepers?