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coldpielast Wednesday at 5:38 PM2 repliesview on HN

The iPhone 13 Mini all by itself sold about the half of the rate of the entire Google Pixel lineup. There is a market for small phones from a reputable manufacturer.

Source:

Google shipped about 10 million Pixel phones in a year https://9to5google.com/2024/02/22/pixel-2023/

iPhone Mini accounted for about 3% of iPhone sales https://9to5mac.com/2022/04/21/cirp-iphone-13-best-selling-l...

iPhones sell about 200 million units per year https://www.demandsage.com/iphone-user-statistics/

200 million * 0.03 = 6 million iPhone Minis per year


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mdasenlast Wednesday at 6:20 PM

The thing I'd add is that Apple often achieves what it does by doing less. People assume that because Apple makes great things that they can make a lot of different great things. But that's where a lot of other companies falter: they make too many different things to really make a few great things.

Small phones are also difficult. Memory, processors, and batteries don't shrink. For an iPhone mini, they're going to be shipping essentially the same chips taking up the same amount of space. That space is going to have to come at the expense of things like the battery and cooling. It's a lot easier to engineer something with looser tolerances. If you have a giant phone, it's easy to have extra room to keep the phone cool and stuff in a battery.

It also probably meant limiting some choices for the rest of the iPhone lineup. Apple wants to be able to re-use components and to some extent it's going to mean that Apple either has to make choices that work for both a 6.1" and 5.4" form factor or do separate things.

There is some demand for an iPhone mini. I love the iPhone mini. I also see the challenge for Apple.

I think there's also a reason why we haven't seen a successful Android mini phone. It's hard to make a mini phone and the sales numbers are comparatively small.

But maybe we'll see an iPhone mini in a few years time. If Apple can create an integrated CPU/modem/WiFi/Bluetooth chip, that could end up saving a decent amount of space while also reducing power requirements. Maybe we'll be able to go SIM-less around the world and that could save space.

At the same time, it's hard to make the same number of people make another, more challenging form factor and it's hard to scale out with more people too. Plus, do you put your best engineers on the hardest project (the mini) when it's only 3% of sales? Or do you hire new, less experienced, possibly lower skilled people for that and hope you don't put out a product that isn't good?

It's a tough challenge for a tiny amount of sales which, ultimately, aren't going to decide to leave Apple for Android where they also can't get a small phone.

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nominated1last Thursday at 1:23 AM

> The iPhone 13 Mini all by itself sold about the half of the rate of the entire Google Pixel lineup.

How much of that was due to the SE 2 being available at a better price while meeting most prospective customers needs?

Personally I was looking forward to an upgrade... but not now.