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noduerme04/03/20256 repliesview on HN

Ok. Name a country 249 years ago that wasn't a conquering power, that didn't commit atrocities and that didn't have slavery.

You can't. They didn't exist.

Name one that opened its doors to immigrants, has the most diverse population in the world, progressively enhanced civil rights and enshrined freedom of speech, built a rule of law into its practices, and most importantly, name a single country that has had a peaceful democratic transition of power for more than half that time.


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TheOtherHobbes04/03/2025

The US's atrocities and slavery happened much more recently. And kept happening while other countries moved on to modern social democracy.

And are still happening today, under the thin disguise of for-profit prisons and no-work = no-healthcare.

The US has a long history of murdering people who are too politically progressive and/or get in the way of corporate profits.

Racial segregation was still considered normal in the 1950s. There's still a huge swathe of the population who can't cope with the idea of anyone who isn't rich and white, ideally a man, with political power.

As for immigrants - there are some people in El Salvador who won't agree with you.

throwaway203704/03/2025

    > Name one that opened its doors to immigrants, has the most diverse population in the world, progressively enhanced civil rights and enshrined freedom of speech, built a rule of law into its practices
I'm pretty sure that Brazillians would raise their hand here.

    > most importantly, name a single country that has had a peaceful democratic transition of power for more than half that time.
Does Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and UK count? Probably we can include France, Netherlands, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, and Sweden. I'm sure other people here can name others.
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specproc04/03/2025

Well, given that countries are a relatively new thing, that's a question that's complex to answer.

I think what you mean to say is name a European country that wasn't doing all that stuff, because most of the world wasn't. I can name a European one actually, Ireland.

That last bit doesn't sound so great to the non-US ear. Immigration, seriously? Ask MLK or Mahmoud Khalil about free speech. Democracy in America is a whole long conversation, but let's say it's at best of debatable quality.

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labster04/03/2025

San Marino, obviously.