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rafaelmn04/03/20254 repliesview on HN

This line of thinking is exactly what got us into this situation. If you want to outsource your defense how can you be surprised when you get ignored in the Ukraine discussions and when the US feels free to just annex parts of your territory. What's your recourse ?


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TheOtherHobbes04/03/2025

The 'outsourcing' has always been for the benefit of US defence corporations.

There were a number of occasions in the 50s to 70s when the US stepped in directly to neuter world-leading aerospace projects in the UK, forcing the UK to buy from the US instead.

Virtually all of the cost of the UK's Trident deterrent goes to the US.

And it would be unwise to write off the EU, especially now there's a mass exodus of researchers from the US.

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mrighele04/03/2025

> If you want to outsource your defense

It's not only that

Outsource defense to USA

Outsource production to China

Make yourself critically dependent on raw materials from Russia.

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fxwin04/03/2025

The same arguments can be made for free trade, and i think most would agree that the world is better off with international trade than without.

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MrBuddyCasino04/03/2025

> This line of thinking is exactly what got us into this situation.

This is exactly right and it is insane that people don't see this. The dysfunction that Pax Americana has inflicted upon Europe must go away. A continent that cannot defend itself is not a sovereign continent.