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It is known that the specifics of the story were modified.

The current text is kind of frozen by its own similarities to itself.

The use of extracted quotes is probably a mistake. You have to find the same event in a lot of other books beyond Matthew to be able to find a tiny whiff of historical information, very faint, very difficult to do with translated versions.


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lurk204/24/2025

> You have to find the same event in a lot of other books beyond Matthew to be able to find a tiny whiff of historical information

The same event is described in the book of Mark (10:32-34) and the book of Luke (18:31-34).

There are two other predictions that appear in all three books:

Matthew 16:21-23

Mark 8:31-33

Luke 9:21-22

Matthew 17:22-23

Mark 9:30-32

Luke 9:43-45

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dmonitor04/23/2025

Luke 17:20-37 also seems to support the idea that Jesus was trying to tell people the kingdom was spiritual, not physical. The kingdom as a concept wasn't some novel idea, either. Jesus was claiming he was the fulfillment of the messianic prophecy in Judaism. He was reinterpreting the prophecy, though, as a spiritual rather than literal liberation.

Tangential, but you can interpret the anti-christ in christian belief to bring the alleged kingdom, as a sort of anti-fulfillment of the prophecy.

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