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sanderjd04/23/2025

Thing is: Everything they're doing is against the rules. Except they aren't "rules", they are laws.

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int0x2904/23/2025

These aren't rules made by bureaucrats. They are laws written by Congress, a coequal branch of government, in response to the Nixon administration's abuse of executive power

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aSanchezStern04/23/2025

I don't think that "arguing that something is against the rules" is in the CIA sabotage manual, because it's not generally considered sabotage. Maybe if you argue things are against the rules that you know aren't, to slow things down?

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only-one170104/23/2025

What’s that dril quote? There’s no difference between good things and bad things? That’s what this last sentence sounds like.

jayd1604/23/2025

This doesn't really make sense. If its in the logs, then they already did it. They weren't slowed at all.

This doesn't really apply to the situation in the slightest.

watwut04/23/2025

If your logs show your actions are against the rules, pointing that out is not "sabotage". It is being good guy employee, reporting your against the rules actions.

This one is very very clear and unambiguous. There is no symmetry in your example. The Civil servant is actually in the right and doge bro in the wrong.

acdha04/23/2025

This doesn’t make sense unless they’re doing something illegal. They have backing from the top to audit the system. They don’t have to answer to any of the people who might complain, so the only reason they need to do this is if they’re doing something which violates federal laws where the penalties are worse then getting an angry email from someone in the security group who your boss will yell at for you.

The other big problem with this theory is that there’s no evidence of sabotage. During the first Trump administration, federal employees followed their leadership just like they had for Obama, Bush, etc. and every sign shows that would have happened again, except for the refusal to take on personal liability for breaking federal laws.

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timewizard04/23/2025

> Now imagine you're a DOGE bro

What does any of this data have to do with making the department more efficient? I can't imagine doing _any_ of this if that was my actual goal.

> and so do the DOGE bros.

When I believe my actions are "fully justified" then that is _precisely_ when I want logging enabled. So no one on Earth could dispute that.

bilbo0s04/23/2025

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Aeolun04/23/2025

This is… the most reasonable explanation I’ve heard so far for everything that is happening.

God knows there must be enough normally unused rules in the federal government.

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