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mkhalil04/23/202514 repliesview on HN

Did anyone read this article? The headline is misleading.

It clearly states in the first line:

> "Google’s contract with Lenovo Group Ltd.’s Motorola blocked the smartphone maker from setting Perplexity AI as the default assistant on its new devices"

They didn't block Perplexity AI from Motorola's devices, the agreement states that they allow them to preload the devices with Perplexity, but the agreement, that both parties signed, does not give Motorola the permission to set it as the default.

> "Motorola “can’t get out of their Google obligations and so they are unable to change the default assistant on the device.”

They signed the agreement, and now are going to courts to claim they had no choice.

I understand the premise, that they think they had no choice, but this article is misleading in its headline, and plenty of the comments here clearly show that a lot of "readers" didn't bother to read it.


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supermatt04/24/2025

> they think they had no choice

And they really don't have a choice. if you don't abide by googles terms then they will not permit you to use google mobile services. That means (at the very least):

  - No "play" services (breaks lots of apps and 3rd party peripherals).
  - No app store (over 90% of apps are distributed solely through the play store. even major android players like samsung have tiny libraries in their own stores).
  - No youtube app (and no way to natively play without play services APIs, you NEED to use a crippled iframe embed in a webview!!!)
  - No push notifications (developers usually target the "built-in" option that is basically play services)
  - Missing apps and api-level integration with loads of other stuff, maps, mail, search, calendar, casting, etc
  - No widevine DRM (no hd/4k netflix, etc)
  - Loads of other insidious stuff I cant recall or articulate right now
You cant even use the word "Android" to describe the OS.

Just look at how crippled Amazons fork is. Or how huawei pretty much lost their entire GLOBAL market share because of a US sanction preventing them having a GMS contract.

No matter what anyone says, android IS google. It is so riddled with google specific behaviours you cant use without a license that companies have even ditched android to make their own OS - because they literally aren't allowed to favorably position their own functionality over googles in any way.

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benoau04/24/2025

They blocked Perplexity via agreements, amongst many agreements to fortify their monopoly, the legality of which has been challenged in court and this testimony is to demonstrate that this agreement also belongs in the "illegal" bucket.

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phire04/24/2025

It’s a little oversimplified, but I wouldn’t call it misleading.

There is little point to getting an app like perplexity AI pre-installed on a phone as a non-default. Changing defaults isn’t exactly trivial, and any user motivated enough to go through that will have no problems installing the app from the App Store.

So of course the deal fell through.

And it’s accurate to say that “Google blocked a deal to put Perplexity AI on Motorola phones”, and highly monopolistic.

Though… as an end user and occasional family tech support person, I’m thankful for anything that reduces pre-installed bloatware on phones. Thanks google.

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62746704/24/2025

> They signed the agreement, and now are going to courts to claim they had no choice.

Did the title change? They (Lenovo) are going to court? This is an antitrust case against Google and the witness is not part of the agreement signed. Is Lenovo suing Google?

The title is representing the witness (perplexity) stance, not Lenovo's. And given it's a antitrust suit it seems like a very valid stance.

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keeda04/23/2025

Sure a contract was signed, but as has been pointed out many times about Google's heavy-handed control over Android, it doesn't mean it was fair to all parties:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/07/googles-iron-grip-on...

Given the recent judgements about Google's anticompetitive behavior in multiple other arenas, revisiting these licensing agreements seems justified.

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paxys04/23/2025

Most online journalism relies on clickbait, and they know people aren't going to read too much past the headline to care (and 99% of threads on sites like HN clearly demonstrate that).

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franga200004/24/2025

Calling the Google Apps agreement something phone vendors voluntarily agreed to is pedantic, reductive and useless. Yes, technically they didn't get physically forced into it, but that's not the whole story.

Google used their unimaginably deep pockets and several monopolies to make sure that no phone without Google Apps will sell. Look at what happened to Huawei after Trump's ban - there were articles in even mainstream media about how people are buying the P10 (was it?), starting it up, realizing nothing works and trying to return it. And literally the only reason that "nothing worked" was that it didn't have Google Play services.

0xTJ04/24/2025

Google has a monopoly on Android services and app distribution that the used to effectively force them to sign it. Literally not having a choice isn't the only way to be coerced to agree.

jillyboel04/24/2025

As a device maker if Google or Apple demands that you jump, you jump.

They are essentially being strongarmed by the duopoly.

rezonant04/24/2025

Since the title has changed since you wrote this, it may be prudent to include the title at question in the future for clarity.

The original title was:

> Google blocked Motorola use of Perplexity AI, witness says

The new title is:

> Google contract prevented Motorola from setting Perplexity as default assistant

The new title definitely addresses this issue, but since you're at the top of the comments, you're likely to get a lot of people responding with disagreement and/or downvoting.

ivewonyoung04/24/2025

Google is a convicted monopolist, so it has to play by different rules.

behringer04/24/2025

If Lenovo wants preferential terms they have to sign.

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alextingle04/24/2025

You could have simply written "I have no idea what anti-trust is all about", and saved yourself a lot of words.