> Cities aren't loud; cars are loud.
EVs have entered the chat
Still, I'd always prefer less cars and more transit.
In my experience, EVs are nearly as loud as IC, as the majority of the noise at typical stroad speeds comes from the tires, not the engine.
The engine noises in cities are generally not a huge problem outside of trucks (or POS cars modified to make noise).
The issue that people apparently think that the horn makes the red light turn green faster or will magic away the car blocking the box.
I first heard the phrase used by parent in a video [1] by youtube channel Not Just Bikes, which found EVs to be similar to ICE cars at typical speeds.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTV-wwszGw8