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brikymlast Wednesday at 2:19 AM5 repliesview on HN

This is an ambulancing project. The focus should be on forcing industry to pay for the pollution they create on an industrial scale. It's never going to be cleaned up by small actors. These projects probably make plastic production more acceptable which is not what we want. Look over there, see recycling a few tones of plastic works, now let's carry on producing boat loads of shit.


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teekertlast Wednesday at 8:25 AM

I agree, there are people working on "molecular barcoding" [0], which would allow for perfect separation of packaging. Combine this with some standards for easy de-lamination or something to get the different components detached (7 layers of different materials in a foil appear to be quite standard) and separated and you should make a dent in the problem.

However I heard "from the system" that manufacturers are not interested in the world knowing exactly what they produce, why, where it ends up and what their contribution to our plastic soup is (surprise surprise). It's a sick system of you ask me. The law (so us citizens) should set the incentives.

Still, people making nice things from waste is always good. But I would be a bit worried about the fumes and dusts coming from these materials though. Where I worked we didn't laser-cut poly-carbonate for example because it would produce airborne endocrine disrupting substances...

[0] https://research.qut.edu.au/cms/projects/macromolecular-barc...

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awonghlast Wednesday at 10:45 AM

Also, I think the use of plastics and it's impact on the environment is probably overstated from a consumer standpoint- no one really thinks about the systemic issues and the cause and effect cycles at work. Everyone is concerned with micro plastics now, but taking drink bottles and making them into chairs is just a distraction.

We have a lot of knowledge on how to literally burn plastic and not pollute anything- waste really doesn't have to be an issue.

The micro plastics that studies find in the human body are probably from sources no one cares to address- acrylic paint, tires, polyester clothing, things that are constantly being ground into nano particle size bits that are omni-present in all environments (and no one even considers getting rid of).

If you live in a first world country the ocean plastic isn't from you- if you drink from a plastic straw or not it probably doesn't matter. That plastic is most likely from fishing nets and from a few countries where people throw their waste directly into a few rivers.

People would rather focus on shaming those who don't sort their trash and drink from plastic straws.

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worldsayshilast Wednesday at 8:16 AM

The industry isn't getting forced to pay for the pollution they are causing anyway. They don't need to point at initiatives like this to avoid that.

People with brooms are not an argument for people making a mess to carry on what they are doing.

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obliolast Wednesday at 7:34 AM

We basically need to increase the cost of plastic to account for all externalities.

It's a super material, it needs to cost as much as competing natural materials: nylon - silk, whatever plastic bottles are made of - glass/aluminum, whatever packaging is made of - paper/textiles, whatever containers are made of - wood/steel/aluminum/etc. Similar story for paints.

Basically, excises, but for plastic instead of just alcohol and tobacco.

We do this, plastic starts being used just where it really makes sense.

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