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Virtual particles and related effects are actually widely accepted and experimentally proven (at least partially). Current physics wouldn't really work without them, or at least something that looks the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation

The gist of it is, that quantum mechanics prevents vacuum from really being empty. Any finite-size system or any system with some kind of influence/force/anything will have a lowest energy state that is not actually zero energy but slightly above. Which means that this non-zero can fluctuate and on occasion pair-produce and pair-annihilate particles (probability inversely depending on pair energy).

And yes, this sounds like some kind of ether...


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tsimionescu06/16/2025

The Wikipedia article that you quote is quite explicit that, while virtual particles are a widely accepted mathematical tool, they're actual existence of elements of reality is very much not widely accepted, and definitely nowhere close to "experimentally verified". It's in fact considered impossible to verify experimentally, even in principle.

Note that there are many very widely used physical theories that include mathematical elements that are not necessarily assigned any physical meaning. The Poynting vector in classical electrodynamics, for example, carries no widely accepted physical meaning, even though it appears in many well verified and used calculations. This doesn't make the theory suspect or anything, I'm not trying to imply that - simply that virtual particles being "real" or not is a mostly philosophical question that has no widely accepted consensus.

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