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> there are far more ways for a system to be disordered than ordered

I'm a complete layman when it comes to physics, so forgive me if this is naive — but aren't "ordered" and "disordered" concepts tied to human perception or cognition? It always seemed to me that we call something "ordered" when we can find a pattern in it, and "disordered" when we can't. Different people or cultures might be able to recognize patterns in different states. So while I agree that "there are more ways for a system to be disordered than ordered," I would have thought that's a property of how humans perceive the world, not necessarily a fundamental truth about the universe


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mr_mitm06/16/2025

You only hear these terms in layman explanations. Physics has precise definitions for these things. When we say "ordered", we mean that a particular macrostate has only few possible microstates.

Check this Wikipedia article for a quick overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microstate_(statistical_mechan...

Details can be found in any textbook on statistical mechanics.

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hackinthebochs06/16/2025

Think minimum description length. Low entropy states require fewer terms to fully describe than high entropy states. This is an objective property of the system.

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spyrja06/16/2025

You can safely replace the terms "order" and "disorder" with "unlikely" and "likely". Simply put, entropy is a measure of how closely a system resembles its "most likely configuration". Consider the discrete entropy of a series of coin flips. Three tosses could result in the following 8 states: HHH, HHT, HTH, HTT, THH, THT, TTH, and TTT. From that we can gather that there is a 1/8 chance of getting either zero or three heads and a 3/8 chance of getting one or two heads. That latter two cases are clearly more likely (and hence associated with a higher entropy). In physics of course entropy is generally the continuous kind, not simple set of binary microstates. But the principle is essentially the same.