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benruttertoday at 4:49 AM3 repliesview on HN

I work for a UK company that manages grid scale batteries - they're awesome!

I wonder how they look in a US landscape that's hostile to renewables. Arbitrage works because solar and wind and very cheap and very indeterminate. The more gas, coal and biofuel (all much more expensive but more flexible) in the grid, the less opportunity for arbitrage.


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AnotherGoodNametoday at 5:04 AM

Yeah in South Australia where it’s over 70% renewables the batteries have been reported to have profit of $46million in a year on a $90million capital cost project.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornsdale_Power_Reserve

No doubt the profits will come down (as long as the free market can do its thing) but for now it’s a crazy market. There’s a reason graphs of battery installations are a hockey stick right now.

I will call out one thing for European readers. You’re suspiciously absent on lists of battery build outs. You guys don’t have lots or lobbying from legacy power providers wanting to maintain the ridiculously high peak prices by any chance?

As in everywhere in the world except europe has a hockey stick of battery build out growth happening right now. (Not a criticism just an Australian confused at why europe as a whole has fewer battaries than australia).

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ggmtoday at 5:17 AM

I'd love to know if the decision to burn other economies wood pellets in Drax could be ended, and if Batteries can do the job!

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dismalaftoday at 7:27 AM

Is there anywhere that's truly hostile to renewables? I live in Alberta, the oil producing region of Canada with a reputation for hating renewables, and we have the most solar and wind power in the country. We just have unfortunately topography that doesn't allow hydro and the powers that be never gave us a nuclear plant so we also use natural gas and a few legacy coal plants...

No one here is against solar panels on their home and few are against wind farms, there's just also the realisation that for many applications, oil will remain for the time being. Aircraft, boats, tractors, and cars in many regions of the world are simply unsuitable for electric power with the current state of electric storage (batteries are heavy relative to energy stored).

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