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ImPostingOnHNlast Sunday at 10:20 PM7 repliesview on HN

I spoke with a startup that is using 5G cell towers as radar. They said it is high-enough resolution to perform gait recognition.


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polalaviklast Sunday at 10:44 PM

There's a whole host of radar research using OFDM/ Wifi (I wrote a paper on the topic a while back where i implemented it with some software defined radios).

The best paper on the topic is Martin Brauns[1]. It's insanely comprehensive and easy to digest.

[1] https://publikationen.bibliothek.kit.edu/1000038892/2987095

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brkyesterday at 12:47 PM

That sounds suspicious. Gait recognition is extremely difficult to do with any accuracy even with high resolution video in semi-controlled environments. Doing with with opportunistic 5G signals sounds far fetched.

gene-hyesterday at 2:05 AM

There are proposals for the 6G standard to support Integrated Sensing and Communication(ISAC)[0]. So the hardware might natively be able to support gait recognition. The use cases given are UAV detection and localization. It sort of seems like this could bring Vernor Vinge's localizer mesh to reality, privacy implications be damned [0]https://www.ericsson.com/en/blog/2024/6/integrated-sensing-a...

supportengineeryesterday at 12:24 AM

I seem to recall reading (on HN, no less) that advanced passive radar technology is classified as munitions, by the US Government and is under export controls?

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bee_riderlast Sunday at 10:36 PM

Hmm. I wonder how big a different the whole 24Ghz vs 6Ghz thing makes, when used as a radar.

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makeitdoublelast Sunday at 10:49 PM

To properly understand, how much resolution is needed for that ?

userbinatorlast Sunday at 10:33 PM

The 5G conspiracy theorists are paying attention.

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