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nine_kyesterday at 3:31 PM7 repliesview on HN

So it applies to a situation when you hold stock of a company that's large enough to issue stock, but is, and has always been, small enough to never have more than $50M in assets, and you must hold the stock for at least 5 years.

How common is that?


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toast0yesterday at 4:20 PM

Fairly common for startups that go through multiple rounds of funding.

If you invest during a seed round, chances are the funding is much less than $50M. Series A usually is much less than $50M too. Series B or C might put you over the limit, depending... but that doesn't disqualify the earlier purchases.

Meeting the holding period could be easy or hard, depending on what the company does. If it takes 5+ years between when it hits the $50M limit and when the shares are marketable, most holders will have a qualified disposition. If it's acquired and the merger terms aren't well tax managed, that may be a disposition for all holders and that sets the holding period. If it becomes marketable quickly, then some holders are likely to sell at least some shares before meeting the holding period... Avoiding capital gains tax is nice, but not nice enough to forgo realizing gains when experience has shown that stock prices can drop rapidly for a variety of reasons that may be hard to forsee.

jandrewrogersyesterday at 4:17 PM

The requirement was only that you acquired the stock when the company has less than $50M (now $75M) in assets. If the company now has $1B in assets, you still get the tax exclusion up to the limit on stock that was purchased back when the company was small.

It specifically advantages investment in small companies that then turn into large companies.

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mitchellhyesterday at 10:10 PM

For any startup that actually reaches a sizable liquidity event of any form, it's very common.

As background: I cofounded a startup that made a lot of people millionaires. QSBS really helped a lot of people. Yeah, if you're going to make deca-millions anyways then it seems like a handout, but if you're "only" making a few million dollars it's the difference between retiring and not.

MarkMarineyesterday at 3:41 PM

Real Assets != valuation. How much in assets do you think the average tech startup holds?

underyxyesterday at 3:42 PM

This also applies for options exercised before the company reaches $50M in assets. And then the gain from a valuation from $50M to say $1B is all excluded.

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awithrowyesterday at 8:59 PM

A company doesn't need to be large to issue stock. Stock was issued to all the founders as part of incorporating our company. More stock was issued when we raised money.

misiti3780yesterday at 3:42 PM

I think a lot of founders dont know about it.