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brundolftoday at 12:56 AM3 repliesview on HN

Amazing that there's no mention of AI in this post. People have been trying and failing to blur this line since the beginning of computing, and the only real success story has been excel. And it's because rigid computing systems have to draw a line somewhere between user and developer, and if that line is in the wrong place, people will either get hampered or lost. And the correct threshold is different for every user and use-case

AI is going to finally be the realization of this dream. I don't think it could have happened any other way


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skydhashtoday at 1:52 AM

And the main reason excel works is because it's very tangible. Referencing by cell address is obvious in ways declaring variables isn't. And the formula style is similar to the f(x) we learned in high school. And they are domain primitives instead of weird things like main() or sys.exit().

But most people don't like to program. They want to use their computer to do a task. And maybe they think of a novel way to do the task, but it's not a daily or even monthly occurrence. And even then they lack the training to fully specify their ideas (it's tedious for a reason). And from what I've seen, almost no one wants to spend the day trying to get it out a probability machine.

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jynelsontoday at 6:38 AM

AI papers over underlying problems, it’s a very strong force to reinforce the status quo. i don’t have strong feelings about AI, but i feel like “the AI generates a terminal command line for you” is just not going to work, it only deepens the division between users who have to blindly trust it isn’t hallucinating and programmers who can check it’s correct. (and most people won’t think to use it in this way anyway because they’ve never heard of a terminal before.)

kragentoday at 5:43 AM

Excel isn't the only one; Hypercard, Filemaker Plus, askSam, Emacs, the Unix shell, SAS, R, SQL, Microsoft Access, Visual BASIC, HTML, PHP, ... and maybe even APL, RPG-II, PowerBuilder, and COBOL.

It's hard to tell what will happen with AI.