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eslaughttoday at 2:43 AM10 repliesview on HN

Recently I was introduced to the distinction between anxiety and dread. Anxiety is, essentially, a form of fear. You fear a worst-case consequence that isn't actually that likely. If you put up with your anxiety and just go and do the thing (on average) you'll do just fine, or at least ok-ish. Over time your body learns that the anxious activity is ok and the anxiety is reduced.

Dread is different. Dread is the expectation of a bad situation. It's not a worst-case scenario, it's a typical scenario. If what you are experiencing is dread, then pushing yourself into that situation will confirm to your body that, yup, it really is as bad as you thought, and will amplify the dread rather than diminish it.

A classic example is that certain forms of neurodivergence create sensory overload in typical "social" environments. This is likely to result in dread rather than anxiety. Your body is literally telling you that this situation is problematic, and repeat exposure isn't going to improve anything.

In our modern culture the language of anxiety is widespread but the language of dread much less so, and I think that's unfortunate because a lot of advice centers around "just get over it", which works only if what you're experiencing is anxiety. Personally, learning about this gave me permission to do "social" activities on my own terms and stop worrying about what other people think "social" means; turns out the social anxiety I had was relatively minimal and what I was experiencing was mostly the dread from environments where social activities often occur.


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ameliustoday at 1:13 PM

I think in many cases there is a negative reinforcing aspect to anxiety that needs to be addressed. For example, anxiety can trigger certain physical symptoms like sweating excessively, tension leading to e.g. reduced loudness and loss of voice, clumsiness. This can spiral down and eventually the anxiety can be almost entirely about those physical aspects.

This is just a different way of looking at it. What you do by addressing what you call dread is basically putting a halt to this feedback loop.

(disclaimer: IANAMD)

xliitoday at 5:41 AM

TIL!

I always joked that there’s nothing to fear about travel over plane. Nothing will fall, nothing will crash. The true horror is spending X hours without movement and a 2 day back pain afterwards.

Seems that I rarely experience anxiety but I do experience dread more often.

What you’re describing is my own self-developed strategy to deal with various stuff. Need to research dread topic more.

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weinzierltoday at 9:31 AM

"Personally, learning about this gave me permission to do "social" activities on my own terms and stop worrying about what other people think "social" means;"

So much this.

To have your own terms is always OK. If you think about it, what people think "social" means is not even fixed. It certainly changes with your age and your environment but even the consensus in a society about it changes.

When I grew up it meant being in a deafening loud environment so much full smoke that you could barely breathe. Hated it, but only when I moved to the big city and started university I understood that I am not the only one. Nowadays the smoke is mostly gone and at least it has become accepted to wear hearing protection.

anton-ctoday at 1:04 PM

This is enlightening as someone with severe... well anxiety and dread, I suppose. Thank you sincerely.

iambatemantoday at 12:45 PM

Any books or research to draw this out? It sounds somewhat relevant to my experience and I’d like to learn more.

uniqueusername7today at 9:19 AM

This makes some amount of sense to me, but what if you dread approaching people? how would you resolve this with still wanting to approach people/form relationships?

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shaywaytoday at 3:09 AM

Thank you for passing this on. I've been circling the concept but haven't ever heard it pinned down. One often comes with the other so it's difficult to separate the two, but at the same time the strategies needed to overcome / deal with them are very distinct.

goopypooptoday at 3:59 AM

Does the sore head dread beat the sobriety anxiety?

tootietoday at 3:19 AM

Introversion has nothing to do with anxiety or dread. They are orthogonal concepts.

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noman-landtoday at 4:51 AM

There's definitely a "get over it" for dread and it's called stoicism (not an expert). Sometimes you have to do things whether you like it or not just to survive and "getting over it" will prevent you from dying.

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