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anaisbetts07/31/20256 repliesview on HN

The entire world realized that now that the Internet has killed off all of the third places / IRL meetings, and social media killed off the decentralized Internet, it's quite easy to fully control the discourse around any topic, since only a few social media organizations effectively decide what everyone sees (even if you're independent, Social Media decides which ideas/content gets traffic).

Question is, how do we get ourselves out of this tar pit?


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tavavex07/31/2025

> Question is, how do we get ourselves out of this tar pit?

I feel like it might be impossible. The people agree with the tar pit makers.

Pass a mass surveillance law, 10% will be outraged, 80% will say "Well I don't have anything to hide. Oh well."

Pass a censorship law targeting legal but unpopular/controversial material. 10% outraged, 80% say "Good, I never liked it anyway."

Pass a preemptive policing law, 10% outraged, 80% claim "If it makes me safer, I like it. I'm not a criminal after all, I don't have anything to fear."

Pass a law that codifies your nation's most popular religion as something to be promoted and enforced. 10% outraged, 80% cheer it on, because it agrees with their views.

The 80% is illustrative here, but it seems like the people who agree with the above statements are a very solid and overwhelming majority. So why it did take us so much time to creep up to deliberate censorship and surveillance? As someone who was born in the 21st century, the freedom to access and do things on the internet had only ever been on the downhill, any small wins are overwritten by inevitable losses that make things more controlled, more 'safe'.

Gud07/31/2025

By increasing the level of democracy and decentralizing the government.

Generally the more democratic a country is, the less hostile the government is against the people, from my observations.

If you decentralise, any damage will be localised and would affect fewer people.

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aleph_minus_one07/31/2025

> Question is, how do we get ourselves out of this tar pit?

Simple:

A Cypherpunk's Manifesto

by Eric Hughes

written 9 March 1993

https://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/manifesto.html

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marcosdumay07/31/2025

Was it really the internet that killed third places?

Among all candidates, it seems the least likely here. It didn't even happen at the same speed the internet grew.

(The issues with monopolized editorial powers are still valid, it's just this one that I think is wrong.)

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spencerflem07/31/2025

My solice is that it’s all temporary, as climate catastrophe will bring down whatever system they’re building before too long

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