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madarslast Saturday at 8:40 PM4 repliesview on HN

>I've never had a Debian system break without it being my fault in some way.

Debian is great but I can't say this is a shared experience. In particular, I've been bitten by Debian's heavy patching of kernel in Debian stable (specifically, backport regressions in the fast-moving DRM subsystem leading to hard-to-debug crashes), despite Debian releases technically having the "same" kernel for a duration of a release. In contrast, Ubuntu just uses newer kernels and -hwe avoids a lot of patch friction. So I still use Debian VMs but Ubuntu on bare metal. I haven't tried kernel from debian-backports repos though.


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kasabalilast Saturday at 9:20 PM

> Debian's heavy patching of kernel in Debian stable

Needs citation.

Debian stable uses upstream LTS kernels and I'm not aware of any heavy patching they do on top of that.

Upstream -stable trees are very relaxed in patches they accept and unfortunately they don't get serious testing before being released either (you can see there's a new release in every -stable tree like every week), so that's probably what you've been bit by.

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brireclast Saturday at 9:10 PM

These days all of my “Debian” bare metal systems are technically running Proxmox, which I think is a relatively happy medium as far as the base Debian system goes — the Proxmox kernel is basically the Ubuntu kernel, but otherwise it’s a pretty standard Debian system.

I’ve thought about (ab)using a Proxmox repository on an otherwise stock Debian system before just for the kernel…

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seba_dos1last Saturday at 9:51 PM

The upstream kernel already backports enough regressions on its own to its stable releases, Debian's kernel team does not help them too much with that.

bayindirhlast Saturday at 8:47 PM

Which GPU, display server and compositor stack are you using?

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