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rrr_oh_manlast Sunday at 7:16 PM3 repliesview on HN

> The UK is politically, culturally, and geographically close to Europe.

Closer than to the US?

I'm not sure about the first two. The latter is also debatable, at least from the UK's point of view. Ireland feels closer to Europe than the UK does.


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octo888last Sunday at 7:53 PM

> The latter is also debatable

Only in terms of perception or semantics or applying a huge negative weighting to a bit of water and ignoring boats, trains and planes exist. But then you say...

> Ireland feels closer to Europe

So are you slyly conflating Europe and the EU?

Some crazy person might say this is really subtle "UK isn't part of Europe" propaganda similar to that in the lead of up Brexit

peanut_merchantlast Sunday at 7:40 PM

I get that maybe you meant culturally, but Ireland is a member of the EU whereas the UK is no longer. This forces a tighter alignment so makes your point about Ireland redundant.

The UK has continuously been pulled between it's dying imperialist vision of itself as a world power, it's close but conflicted ties with the US, and it's similarly close and conflicted ties with the EU.

Barrin92last Sunday at 7:40 PM

>Closer than to the US?

Much closer. It's a unitary state with a monarchy and parliamentary sovereignty, it's highly centralized economically and culturally. It's more European than much of Europe. Post war Germany, republican and decentralized economically is structurally more like the US than Britain. The only reason people in the US tend to identify with Britain is Anglo-Protestant identitarianism.

Britain in reality operates a lot like France or Russia, an overwhelmingly strong capital and grand historical old world nationalism with relatively weak constitutional or formal limits on government.