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lordnacholast Sunday at 7:40 PM7 repliesview on HN

Can't make this shit up.

The Danish government (currently holding the rotating chair) also raised the pension age for everyone. Other than themselves.

But also, how does this get implemented? What's stopping me from using, say, Signal, which being OSS would likely have a single line I could comment out and compile for myself?

How would I get busted for that? Or I could get clever and have AI generate some random chat text to send to the government while I send the actual text to my friends?


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rdm_blackholelast Sunday at 7:47 PM

This is only the first step in the process. First they will force all messaging/email providers to implement the scanning. Those who refuse or decide to leave the EU as Signal said they would do, would end up being unlisted from Google Play or the Apple (EU) app store.

Then the second phase is coming by 2030. Read about the ProtectEU (what a fucking ridiculous name) proposal which will mandate the scanning on device and basically record everything you do on your device.

This will be forced on Apple and other manufacturers directly.

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whatevaalast Sunday at 7:45 PM

You would get labeled a "potential criminal". See some comment from police labelling Graphene OS users as criminals.

Steganography exists and is undefeatable, though very low bandwith.

rdm_blackholelast Sunday at 7:54 PM

Even if you compile your own version of Signal, will your friends do it too? Will your grandma/grandpa do it as well? It only takes one person in the chain to be compromised by using the "real" app and then all your efforts would be defeated because now your messages have been exposed by this other person unknowingly.

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shark1last Sunday at 7:45 PM

It's like any other crime. They cannot stop you from stealing, for example. By doing it, you will not be a lawful citizen.

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amarcheschilast Sunday at 7:43 PM

It doesn't say how AFAIK, although it's been a few months from when I read the original proposal. If I'm not wrong it would delegate that to service providers - the organizations managing the apps, telegram, meta, whatever the name of the foundation for the signal app is ecc

dachrislast Sunday at 7:48 PM

Hopefully it doesn't get implemented, but obviously they could force OS providers to implement this in Android and iOS.

ncr100last Sunday at 9:13 PM

So stop them.