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RansomStarklast Monday at 7:55 AM1 replyview on HN

Why would you expect anything else from the so-called left? Do you honestly believe only the right want power and control?

In my experience the left wants this just as much, if not more than the right.

Right-wing politics is starting to show up again in Europe, this is true, but the left / left-of-center has been in power for a long time and need (at least in their view) to remain in power.

These kinds of laws allow the powerful group to gain more control and remain in power, it took no time at all for the UK version of this law to block videos of heavy-handed policing [0].

The low power group usually doesn't support controls on speech, as they know it will make their rise to power harder. Once power shifts these views inevitably switch.

This has led to the belief, at least in the west, that the right censor and the left are the guardians of free speech - because it was true and people want to believe the world hasn't changed (nobody like to admit that they've become the bad guys).

This also leads people make this mistake of believing that politics is a line. It's not, it's a horseshoe.

In the middle is the vast majority of people that just want to be left alone, and want to leave others alone. At both edges there are loud, politically active, sociopaths that want power and control to protect and deify their own in-group, while, criminalizing and demonizing the out-group.

It's why, when looking at history, the right-wing fascists and the left-wing communists, seem to want totally opposite things, but end up with very similar policies and outcomes (illegal political parties, proscribed groups, concentration camps and genocide).

[0] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14945805/Online-Saf...


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andrepdlast Monday at 10:22 AM

Nice theory, but the European left wing parties (The Left, and Greens) are against chat control, while the right wing parties are in favour.

In the UK, the Conservatives and the "New Labour" aka centre-right Starmer aka Tory Lite are responsible for massive backsliding of civil liberties, while those "far left" types like Corbyn are opposed to it.

So reality, at least in those two examples, seems to contradict your theory.