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mjevansyesterday at 2:17 AM6 repliesview on HN

Incorrect.

Choice 2. Empowered user. The end user is free to CHOOSE to delegate the hardware's approved signing solutions to a third party. Possibly even a third party that is already included in the base firmware such as Microsoft, Apple, OEM, 'Open Source' (sub menu: List of several reputable distros and a choice which might have a big scary message and involved confirmation process to trust the inserted boot media or the URL the user typed in...)

There should also be a reset option, which might involve a jumper or physical key (E.G. clear CMOS) that factory resets any TPM / persistent storage. Yes it'd nuke everything in the enclave but it would release the hardware.


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maxwelljxyzyesterday at 3:03 AM

I like the way Chromebooks do things, initially locking down the hardware but allowing you to do whatever if you intentionally know what you're doing (after wiping the device for security reasons). It's a pity that there's all the Google tracking in them that's near impossible to delete (unless you remove Chrome OS).

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judge2020yesterday at 2:35 AM

Consider the possibility of an evil maid type attack before a device is setup for the first time, e.g. running near identical iOS or macOS but with spyware preloaded, or even just adware.

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moi2388yesterday at 11:56 AM

Incorrect. For us as tech people this is an option. My older family members will definitely install malware and send all their data to China.

Please don’t let me go back to the early days of the internet where my mother had 50 toolbars and malware installed

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flomoyesterday at 2:33 AM

Keep in mind one of these third parties would almost certainly be Meta (because users want their stuff), and that would almost certainly be a privacy downgrade.

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echelonyesterday at 2:38 AM

This.

We need a mobile bill of rights for this stuff.

- The devices all of society has standardized upon should not be owned by companies after purchase.

- The devices all of society has standardized upon should not have transactions be taxed by the companies that make them, nor have their activities monitored by the companies that make them. (Gaming consoles are very different than devices we use to do banking and read menus at restaurants.)

- The devices all of society has standardized upon should not enforce rules for downstream software apart from heuristic scanning for viruses/abuse and strong security/permissions sandboxing that the user themselves controls.

- The devices all of society has standardized upon should be strictly regulated by governments all around the world to ensure citizens and businesses cannot be strong-armed.

- The devices all of society has standardized upon should be a burden for the limited few companies that gate keep them.

Barbingyesterday at 2:34 AM

>big scary message

Open question:

Any idea on making it so difficult that grandma isn't even able to follow a phisher’s instructions over the phone but yet nearly trivial for anyone who knows what they’re doing?

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