There's no value in Amazon burning money to 'compete' when there no clear endgame. Right now the competition seems to be who can burn a a hundred billion dollars the fastest.

Once a use case and platform has stabilized, they'll provide it via AWS, at which poiny the SME market will eat it up.

I like AWS overall.

(Though I'm pretty familiar with some of the concepts, I know some things to avoid (e.g., "push this button to set up a very expensive global enterprise scale observability platform of numerous complicated services, because you asked about a very simple turn-key syslog service"), and I'm expecting the occasional configuration headache (and, lately, configuration wizard bugs).)

For a new startup, I'd use AWS for all serving and hosting purposes by default, iff you have someone who can avoid pitfalls, and handle problems.

If you don't have such a technical person, maybe start off with managed Kubernetes service with high-level UI, at AWS or one of the other cloud providers, and try not to make too big a mess (which might slow you down, or take you down) before you can afford to hire specialists to make sure it keeps working for you.

I still like AWS all these years later. It’s trusted in the enterprise and you can empower people to do what they need to themselves with IAM. And it’s pretty reliable.

I don't think cloud computing is a hated "tool", it's effectively taken over running on-prem.

It's the same as saying buying electricity from a network is worse than having your own generators.

Since when? It’s extremely popular

You say Jenkins is hated, but surely it's no more hated or worse than any other bigger player in the space like Teamcity or Bamboo.

This is a weird take. I don’t know any developers who hate AWS. It’s the dominant cloud provider for a reason.

> AWS has now become one of the most hated tools

By whom? Certainly no one I work with. AWS has some sharp edges and frustrations but we couldn't do half of what we do without it.

> AWS has now become one of the most hated tools

News to me

huh how did Jenkins all of a sudden get into this discussion? And why the hate, it was king of CI for over a decade and for good reason.

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