> but they definitely can match others - easily, as shown by llama 3/4

Are we living in the same universe? LLAMA is universally recognized as one of the worst and least successful model releases. I am almost certain you haven't ever tried a LLAMA chat, because, by the beard of Thor, it's the worst experience anyone could ever had, with any LLM.

LLAMA 4 (behemoth, whatever, whatever) is an absolute steaming pile of trash, not even close to ChatGPT 4o/4/5/, Gemini(any) and even not even close to cheaper ones like DeepSeek. And to think Meta pirated torrents to train it...

What a bunch of criminal losers and what a bunch of waste of money, time and compute. Oh, at least the Metaverse is a success...

https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/court-documents-show...

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/27/the-metaverse-as-we-knew-it-...