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derf_yesterday at 3:30 AM4 repliesview on HN

Anyone who has lived through a market correction (the tariff announcements in early April this year being a recent example, though there have been far worse) should be able to see that market prices do not always accurately reflect even the consensus view of value (which itself can be wrong). As people are forced to de-lever, everything goes down at once, often by very similar amounts, even though it cannot be possible that everything suddenly lost the same amount of value simultaneously.

To quote Richard Bookstaber, "The principal reason for intraday price movement is the demand for liquidity... the role of the market is to provide immediacy for liquidity demanders. ...market crises... are the times when liquidity and immediacy matter most. ...the defining characteristic is that time is more important than price. ...diversification strategies fail. Assets that are uncorrelated suddenly become highly correlated, and all positions go down together. The reason for the lack of diversification is that in a high-energy market, all assets in fact are the same.... What matters is who holds the assets." (from A Framework for Understanding Market Crises, 1999)

Was the market drop an accurate reflection of the value that would have been destroyed by those tariffs, discounted by the probability that they would have been enacted as drafted? Nobody knew then, and I maintain that nobody even knows now. That was not the calculation that was being made.


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AnthonyMouseyesterday at 4:14 AM

> As people are forced to de-lever, everything goes down at once, often by very similar amounts, even though it cannot be possible that everything suddenly lost the same amount of value simultaneously.

The price of something and the value of something were never expected to be the same. What's the value of food? If you have none you die, so the value is quite high, but the price is much lower than that because there are many competing suppliers.

And the price of a large class like investment securities can easily change all at once if there is a large shift in supply or demand.

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kqryesterday at 6:59 AM

It seems like Bookstaber argues not that it's liquidity demand over information change, but that it is both. The tariff announcements are actually a great example, because it was triggered by new information, and diversification still kind of worked (at least some government bonds gained value during the drop in other assets classes).

The main question, I suppose, is why correlations were so high after the tariff announcements:

- In some cases, the high correlations are probably due to the markets being directly affected by the announcements: both commodities and equity are affected, and they got more correlated, which makes sense.

- In some cases, the high correlations are probably due to liquidity demand rather than markets being directly affected by the announcements: we would not expect cryptocurrencies to be directly affected by US tariffs, but they ended up correlated with equity markets anyway. That's probably because people needed to sell off their cryptocurrency to cover equity losses.

Thus in this case, it's again probably a bit of both.

Great paper. Thanks for referencing.

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mikeiz404yesterday at 10:07 PM

Paper: A Framework for Understanding Market Crises (1999)

https://www.risknet.de/uploads/tx_bxelibrary/Bookstaber-Unde...