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A turn lane in Rhododendron

32 pointsby apsec11210/26/202517 commentsview on HN

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jonah-archiveyesterday at 7:34 PM

Among the many reasons that stretch of 26 is dangerous is that the approach from Portland is essentially a freeway from Gresham through Sandy, and then turns into a rural highway until it begins the climb up to Hood. This is because of a remnant of the Mount Hood Freeway construction, which resulted in a lot of little oddities that linger in Portland to this day: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Hood_Freeway

libraryofbabelyesterday at 4:16 PM

The larger issue, of course, is that eccentric individuals and niche special-interest groups are able to use the planning process and the legal system to jam up all sorts of infrastructure projects in America, from simple turn lanes all the way to high-speed rail. This is not the only reason America has trouble building infrastructure, but it is an important reason. See Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson‘s new book Abundance for a long-form analysis of this… or for a contrast with the US’s “lawyerly society” (and, of course, the disadvantages of leaning too much in the other direction) Dan Wang’s Breakneck: China's Quest to Engineer the Future that just came out.

Both are excellent books and will probably appeal to a lot of Hacker News folks with an engineering/builder mindset.

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onionisafruityesterday at 2:41 PM

In the picture the stone pillars look like a decorative feature marking a neighborhood entrance. Does anybody know their origin? I assume if they were installed in the past 100 years there would be some evidence to counter Mr Jones’ claims.

BigTTYGothGFyesterday at 2:40 PM

I don't believe I've been on that stretch of road, but it seems to me that if the concern is safety there are other alternatives to adding a turn lane, the most obvious of which being a reduction in the speed limit.

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threetonesunyesterday at 5:39 PM

Four lane roads like this, in any context, or any part of America, are an absolute disaster of civil engineering. I get that in the 60s or whenever they were built you had a situation where some cars could barely accelerate up an incline but by the 70s they should have all been reworked.

oftenwrongyesterday at 2:29 PM

Would a wider road not embolden drivers to increase their speed?

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onionisafruityesterday at 2:43 PM

I clicked through looking for some novel civil engineering because I assumed a rhododendron is a geometric shape I hadn’t heard of. The actual story was a good read too.

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jauntywundrkindyesterday at 4:21 PM

Found the rock pillars, FWIW. Gorgeous trees around this area! https://maps.app.goo.gl/7gBd3MuvnmscNLUr6

And you can go back to 2007 to see the old highway, https://maps.app.goo.gl/Qd9evKz7vUnxt1FQ6

fritzoyesterday at 4:13 PM

The only grave being disturbed is Robert Moses' by his turning

bell-cotyesterday at 5:29 PM

<sigh/> At what point do you assume that the still-objecting NIMBY's either have personality disorders, or are motivated by malicious self-aggrandizement?

geophphyesterday at 2:09 PM

“No way this is about the Rhododendron on the way up to Mt. Hood”

Sure was.