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myrmidonlast Monday at 8:22 PM1 replyview on HN

How is it a false dichotomy? If you want consciousness to NOT be simulateable, then you need some essential component to our minds that can't be simulated (call it soul or whatever) and for that thing to interface with our physical bodies (obviously).

We have zero evidence for either.

> does not mean that the essential thing gives rise to consciousness is only approximate

But we have 8 billion different instances that are presumably conscious; plenty of them have all kinds of defects, and the whole architecture has been derived by a completely mechanical process free of any understanding (=> evolution/selection).

On the other hand, there is zero evidence of consciousness continuing/running before or after our physical brains are operational.


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prmphlast Monday at 8:57 PM

> plenty of them have all kinds of defects,

Defects that have not rendered them unconscious, as long as they still are alive. You seem not to see the circularity of your argument.

I gave you an example to show that robustness against adverse conditions is NOT the same as internal resiliency. Those defect, as far as we know, are not affecting the origin of consciousness itself. Which is my point.

> How is it a false dichotomy? If you want consciousness to NOT be simulateable, then you need some essential component to our minds that can't be simulated (call it soul or whatever) and for that thing to interface with our physical bodies (obviously).

If you need two things to happen at the same time in sync with each other no matter if they are separated by billions of miles, then you need faster-than-light travel, or some magic [1]; see what I did there?

1. I.e., quantum entanglement

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